2015/11/24 16:26:45
tony2000
hello friends , I am updating to music creator 7 , I need to buy a new laptop for it, I am looking at I 5 or I 7 processor with processor speed about 3ghz , but I see that are very expensive, how about a laptop with dual core amd  2.5 ghz of speed   is that enough to run the program with some other plug ins like vst and soft synth ?
2015/11/25 10:18:44
kitekrazy1
 Usually the Mac architecture runs on a lower CPU.  If you want to stay with Windows look for a gaming type laptop.
My own reality tells me laptops aren't great for extensive music production unless you get into the $2000+ range. I wouldn't waste that on a laptop when I could build a killer desktop and run an RME unit.
 Higher specs also mean more battery consumption. One of the reason I would recommend a Mac Book Pro is the battery is of a better quality. You can run Bootcamp.
 
2015/11/26 10:58:54
tony2000
thank you for your advise , but you see i need a window laptop because  of the work that i am going to do, i will use the laptop for live gigs ,i don't care about the battery life as long that  will not crash or sound distorted  so i was wondering how a intel  or amd  2.6 ghz will do with the latest music creator .....and today is a good day to buy one .........happy thanksgiving everyone 
2015/11/26 15:32:27
Jim Roseberry
Typical off-the-shelf laptops don't make good DAWs.
A laptop that's anywhere close to the speed of a well-configured tower starts at ~$2k (as KiteCrazy1 mentioned).
Unless you absolutely must have a laptop, I'd encourage you to get a tower.  You'll get FAR more bang-for-the-buck.
 
Off-the-shelf machines typically have motherboards with "dumbed down" BIOS.
Certain parameters that allow super low/consistent DPC Latency are not exposed.
This is done to prevent less tech-savvy users from fouling up their machine.
In this scenario, there's no way to achieve the low/consistent DPC Latency of a quality motherboard.
If you're wanting to run heavy loads at the smallest ASIO buffer sizes, it's critical to have low/consistent DPC Latency.
 
Off-the-shelf machines are built for general-purpose users (Office, Facebook, YouTube, Email, etc).
This user will never notice a 2ms hiccup in data-flow.
For the person running a heavy load at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size, that's a drop-out.
 
For high-performance scenarios, you're best off with a custom machine where each component is chosen for maximum performance and minimal noise.
 
2015/11/27 13:21:17
SGodfrey
Jim Roseberry
Typical off-the-shelf laptops don't make good DAWs.
A laptop that's anywhere close to the speed of a well-configured tower starts at ~$2k (as KiteCrazy1 mentioned).
Unless you absolutely must have a laptop, I'd encourage you to get a tower.  You'll get FAR more bang-for-the-buck.
 
Off-the-shelf machines typically have motherboards with "dumbed down" BIOS.
Certain parameters that allow super low/consistent DPC Latency are not exposed.
This is done to prevent less tech-savvy users from fouling up their machine.
In this scenario, there's no way to achieve the low/consistent DPC Latency of a quality motherboard.
If you're wanting to run heavy loads at the smallest ASIO buffer sizes, it's critical to have low/consistent DPC Latency.
 
Off-the-shelf machines are built for general-purpose users (Office, Facebook, YouTube, Email, etc).
This user will never notice a 2ms hiccup in data-flow.
For the person running a heavy load at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size, that's a drop-out.
 
For high-performance scenarios, you're best off with a custom machine where each component is chosen for maximum performance and minimal noise.
 



Jim,
Your knowledge of hardware for music tech is peerless, so I would not want to argue on any technical point whatsoever.  Having said that, I use a 3 year-old i7 laptop that I picked up for $1000 (converted from £sterling) and I really don't have any problems with it.  The fact that Tony has said he's using Music Creator 7 entry level software rather than the Sonar X3 Producer I have, tells me (perhaps wrongly) that he's not going to be a power user.  If I hadn't read your post first, I would've advised looking for at least an i5, preferably an i7 with 6GB+ of RAM.  Are we in danger of putting the hardware out of Tony's price range, when it appears he's on a budget?
 
Having said all that, I've never used my kit live so maybe that's a different ballgame altogether?
 
Finally, on a separate point, shouldn't we be encouraging Tony to move up to Sonar Artist?  Shouldn't we also be making sure he has an adequate audio interface?
 
Hope I'm not stepping on any toes here.
 
Respectfully,
Simon
2015/11/27 14:11:16
Jim Roseberry
Hi Simon,
 
You're not stepping on any toes...   
I don't disagree with any of the points you make.
 
Certainly the OP needs to start with a rock-solid audio interface.
 
Due to the tight physical space, performance compromises are made with laptops (to keep CPU temps in check).
That boils down to a lot of CPU throttling.  This causes high DPC Latency, etc.
This goes against everything we're looking for in a DAW (maximum sustained thru-put... with no hiccups in data-flow)
If you're not running at smaller ASIO buffer sizes... and you're not pushing the machine hard, this is less of a factor.
 
The best custom laptops allow you to use a desktop CPU... and allow custom BIOS (which provides all parameters necessary to achieve low/consistent DPC Latency).
This is the closest you'll get to the performance of a well-configured tower/rack.
Downside is it's not small... the monitor isn't touch-screen... and the cost is significant.
 
If performance is any type of priority, unless you absolutely must have a laptop (flying, etc), I'd recommend a tower/rack based DAW.  All the performance you want/need (with none of the limitations)... 
 
 
2015/11/30 21:01:49
kzmaier
Hi Tony,
 
Let me start by saying I'm no expert.
 
I'm looking at giving an i7 5500u @ 2.4Ghz with 8G mem laptop a try.  The down sides are the i7 is a dual core and the HD is at 5400rpm.  Its coming in around $750.  I currently use a desktop (i5 quad core/7200rpm HD) but would like more mobile options.  Also my wife is tired of me using her laptop.  I do mostly typical rock band type music, with guitars, bass, soft-synth drums and keys in Sonar Platinum.
 
There are tricks to getting the most out of a system.  
Turn off the wireless interface when running.  If your audio interface does live monitoring you can run with a higher latency when tracking.  If your tracking soft-synths the higher latency will be a issue.  I have an old midi keyboard with build in sounds for feedback which can help with the tracking of soft-synths.
 
For playback freeze the soft-synths and bounce tracks if effects become an issue.
 
There are more things that can help but these are a few off the top of my head.
2015/12/06 19:07:58
kzmaier
Looks like I'm keeping the i7 5500u, 8G, 1TB laptop.  I ran some projects with more tracks, plugins (pc and effects), and vst instruments (cw's latest) than I typically use.  Sonar cpu load meter was under 30% on the 4 threads (note the cpu is dual core??).  I think Sonar and Windows 10 (turn off the crap) run much lighter these days.  Tested with usb audio device (asio) latency ~9ms and wifi off and no Bluetooth.  Now I have to decide whether or not to update the desktop to Win10 from 8.1.  Also note when I ran the install for the off the shelf laptop I went with custom install vs typical install and was able to prevent the installation of a lot of crape.  I couldn't find a win 10 dlc latency checker.  If I do I'll let you know. 
 
Just a FYI.
2018/01/18 08:36:03
Waccerk
I think my Dell laptop is very nice , 
2018/01/18 11:32:45
fireberd
I'm not easily impressed with Laptops (I hate the keyboard on a laptop).  My DAW system is a desktop.  But, last summer I bought a new laptop to use for "on site" recordings.  It is a Dell Inspiron 15, 5577 model that Dell sells as a "gaming" laptop.  It is a 7th gen i5 and comes with a 250GB M.2 SSD.  It has space to add a laptop hard drive or another SSD.  I'm impressed with this laptop as it "visually" boots as fast as my Desktop with SSD and loads programs the same way.  I have installed a second 500GB SSD and have two copies (dual boot) of Win 10, one for regular PC applications and the other with minimum on it to run Sonar Platinum.  When I run Sonar (and now also Studio One 3) its on the second copy with has nothing on it except Win 10 and the DAW software (Wi-Fi NIC is disabled).  Latency Mon shows the DAW Win10 as very clean.
 
One thing, I only "record" with this system.  The recordings are transferred to my desktop DAW for any processing.  I only have the basic Sonar Platinum installed, no additional add-ons.  
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