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  • Apple: It's Good If You Like C**P (p.7)
2017/11/02 00:07:22
kennywtelejazz
This thread is starting to remind me of A Tag Team Wrestling Match
 
 
In the Blue Mac corner we have Fleer , Kenny & Rain . In the Red PC corner we have Starrise ,pwalpwal, AT, bit, and a whole multitude of star PC athletes Jim by himself is his own team 
 
Kenny
2017/11/02 05:19:19
Jeff Evans
I think the problem with something like this is when a program such as Sonar can only run on one platform.  There may be a tendency for polarisation.  But when you use a program like Studio One that runs very well on both, then the differences between them actually fade away to not much.  I for one use my software on both platforms and in reality there his no big difference here.  Once the program is booted up on either, the OS in fact disappears into the background and the program pretty runs identically on both.  So in fact the argument is weak. 
 
There are some things on the Mac that are easier and when there are less options sometimes things do work better. Some things do install easier and faster with less fiddling around.
 
Stellar performance can be had on either system so if you are wanting to build a high end machine to run your program you can do it very well as evidenced here for example:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=5zhXijvtkNc
 
So if you think that only the ultimate performance can be had on a Mac Pro then well you may be wrong.
 
There are other things I do like about the Mac in preference to Windows.  They are not always related to DAW use. 
2017/11/02 14:35:02
TheMaartian
I am NOT paying north of $4K for this. Still need monitors, keyboard and a mouse.
 

2017/11/02 14:53:20
Starise
Jeff Evans
I think the problem with something like this is when a program such as Sonar can only run on one platform.  There may be a tendency for polarisation.  But when you use a program like Studio One that runs very well on both, then the differences between them actually fade away to not much.  I for one use my software on both platforms and in reality there his no big difference here.  Once the program is booted up on either, the OS in fact disappears into the background and the program pretty runs identically on both.  So in fact the argument is weak. 
 
There are some things on the Mac that are easier and when there are less options sometimes things do work better. Some things do install easier and faster with less fiddling around.
 
Stellar performance can be had on either system so if you are wanting to build a high end machine to run your program you can do it very well as evidenced here for example:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=5zhXijvtkNc
 
So if you think that only the ultimate performance can be had on a Mac Pro then well you may be wrong.
 
There are other things I do like about the Mac in preference to Windows.  They are not always related to DAW use. 




Kenny it's Starise not Starrise bonk bonk bonk ...you can call me Tim anytime too.You do play one heckuva guitar there dude!
 
If cost, service and inter connective capability don't matter, then none of it matters, and you would be correct. If loosing some freedom to make hardware choices doesn't matter , then it doesn't matter. From the perspective that only the actual daw matters I would agree. I think that view leaves out the other considerations though and is probably why some only use a PC or only a Mac.
 
If a person is considering a studio then everything in between matters. Not only this, but what matters varies by the individual and the way they plan to use it.
 
I think the polarization comes in when Mac users come off as elitist on a forum that uses a PC daw no less. I'm not inferring this is you, but I have seen that kind of thinking here. The view they have is especially provoking when the inner hardware they use is PC hardware, is regulated like a an old Soviet gulag, and costs twice as much money. There are a lot of things people miss, but they don't usually miss this $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Apple also has problems with OS updates. We PC users sometimes speak up and try to bring out the advantages of PC ownership........and if one goes into a gay bar wearing candy pants.....well. Granted this post wasn't initiated by a Mac owner, we have Mac owners here. I can  respect someone liking a Mac for how it works. Who can argue that? It's subjective there.
 
I also own the Studio One Professional with the latest updates installed. I only use it on a PC, so if you like Studio One you aren't held to a Mac like a person is with Logic. It goes both ways here- Some daw software will only run on a Mac. Some will only run on a PC, some on both. 
 
There are people with daw problems over on the Studio One board who use Mac computers. 
2017/11/02 16:13:03
Fleer
Yep, I guess even Mac users aren't happy about the way Apple has evolved as a business. They were sweet when they were small and highly creative. They're not anymore, PC innards and all.
Still sticking to Apple, though, because of the software-hardware integration. That's what does it for me, as I'm not a tinkerer. Happy enough to see that we can put our own RAM in those new iMacs (instead of going for Apple's crazily expensive options). Conclusion for me: they're massively overpriced but they still sell the same one-in-all solutions I like. Would get lost in a PC world, as I do often enough when I have to use PowerPoint on a university PC (and I always ask a student to launch it for me). 
2017/11/02 17:09:33
Starise
Debaters don't make a lot of friends. I don't mean to be unfriended because I might have a different view about something. Some things can't be helped. I don't want to be that guy, really. But I have to say it- The issue here is some believe Mac software/ hardware works better than PC Software/hardware. Is this true? 
 
The answer depends on the approach. PC  might involve slightly more homework on the part of the user. In only commenting about my personal experiences I can say that it took me roughly a half hour online to find compatible hardware.. So "slightly" for me is a half hour in return for me paying roughly half of what I would spend on a Mac, or less. To me that effort was worth it. Additionally, I have more choices in keyboards, mice,printers,hard drives,motherboards,memory,Monitors and on it goes. If a company makes PC hardware and it isn't found to be compatible, that company will go out of business. These companies do the same thing Apple does- They test their stuff with the other stuff. This is especially important to those who use audio interfaces for recording. We know who the stable hardware makers are. Focustrite, RME, Motu and others who have shown that their stuff works with PC stuff.
 
If there was a wider distance between issues using PC and issues using Mac I would agree. Back in the Windows 98 days I would have said there's no comparison. Mac was much better back then at compatibility. Mac users had good reason to brag about how much better their stuff was than our stuff. Now let's skip to the present. Mac code is fast becoming overloaded and bulky. Apple has made a few bad decisions recently in the desktop computer sector.Windows has a much better OS with improved driver recognition. Vendor have been more diligent to make sure stuff works with other stuff.
 
Our stuff has been working pretty good with other stuff for quite awhile now  
 
There is still an occasional problem here and there. Not usually with known working arrangements. 
 
If you don't fancy building a computer, there are plenty to be bought. Just takes very small bit of research. I'm sure Jim and others here like him could help you with that.
 
Whichever you choose you have all my best wishes in making music.
2017/11/02 20:15:18
dubdisciple
Never understood need for people to be insistent on platforms to the point where they need to deride others. Experiences vary amd there are certainly pros and cons on each. If something is working for you, why give a crap what others prefer? Macs ARE generally easier to work the eay you want out the box, but that is not always true since pc makers and users vary. Pcs AREmore susceptible to crashes and driver incompatibilities for average user, but some pc users have no such issies. When Mac users do experience issues whether hardware or software they tend to be far harder to resolve for the average joe. Wgen linux works it tends to be smooth sailing, but the most minor things can be annoying. I think most of these debates are based in a bizarre insecurity about very personal choices.
2017/11/02 20:33:07
abacab
Use what works for you!   
 
If I could do everything I needed to on a $35 Raspberry Pi system on a board, I would.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/
 
Tracktion actually has a version of Waveform 8 and their Biotek synth that runs on Raspberry Pi (Linux build for Pi).
 
NAMM 2017: Tracktion Raspberry Pi Interface
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MTUpji8Uw
2017/11/02 21:21:50
dubdisciple
abacab
Use what works for you!   
 
If I could do everything I needed to on a $35 Raspberry Pi system on a board, I would.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/
 
Tracktion actually has a version of Waveform 8 and their Biotek synth that runs on Raspberry Pi (Linux build for Pi).
 
NAMM 2017: Tracktion Raspberry Pi Interface
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MTUpji8Uw


a rasberry pi is on my list of things to purchase.  The $35 is a little misleading though since you will need more to be functional un ess you have needed components laying about already. I think those kits are a great way to learn about the functionality of comnputers that are not in a form we often think of as a "a computer" like smaret refrigerators " and other devices that are basically computers
2017/11/02 23:38:47
abacab
dubdisciple
 
a rasberry pi is on my list of things to purchase.  The $35 is a little misleading though since you will need more to be functional un ess you have needed components laying about already. I think those kits are a great way to learn about the functionality of comnputers that are not in a form we often think of as a "a computer" like smaret refrigerators " and other devices that are basically computers




But ~$100 or less is feasible.  Not counting an audio interface or studio gear, LOL!
 
The Raspberry Pi 3 Model B is a single-board computer with wireless LAN and Bluetooth connectivity, but needs a micro SD card and a micro power supply.  And a plastic case for aesthetics...
 
Specs:

The Raspberry Pi 3 is the third-generation Raspberry Pi. It replaced the Raspberry Pi 2 Model B in February 2016.
  • Quad Core 1.2GHz Broadcom BCM2837 64bit CPU
  • 1GB RAM
  • BCM43438 wireless LAN and Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) on board
  • 40-pin extended GPIO
  • 4 USB 2 ports
  • 4 Pole stereo output and composite video port
  • Full size HDMI
  • CSI camera port for connecting a Raspberry Pi camera
  • DSI display port for connecting a Raspberry Pi touchscreen display
  • Micro SD port for loading your operating system and storing data
  • Upgraded switched Micro USB power source up to 2.5A
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