This behavior is explained here:
http://www.cakewalk.com/D...help=MIDI_Files.1.html

BobF
This behavior is explained here:
http://www.cakewalk.com/D...help=MIDI_Files.1.html

Thanks BobF, 
 
Was hoping for a quick and easy fix, but I guess not. I followed the article and converted Midi controllers to envelopes. The track view envelope is not clear what I need to do to strip off undesired patch changes or insert the desired instrument. I can insert points on the envelope but dont see the choices to select the specific instrument.
 
The eventlist does show some new items in red of the kind "Shape" followed by the instrument I want to be played, but still the playback chooses a different instrument.
 
Am sure am missing something but just cant put a finger on it.
 
Any further clues or assistance would be appreciated
 
Thanks again

tomnk
I think Sonar Platinum is setting a Patch Change that does not appear in the eventlist

I have not notices something inconsistent with PC so far. There are 2 PC sources:
1) MIDI track settings, visible in the track inspector. If you specify bank/patch there, it is sent when you play the track from the beginning (that also means changing settings there have no effect till you play the track from the beginning). Not in event list.
2) PC changes in the track itself. They all appear in the event list.
 
Also 2 notes:
a) if you insert PC from the menu at measure 1, the setting is change for the track and not inserted into the the event list
b) you need some notes on the track to see the effect (if the track is empty, Track settings PC is not sent).
 
You can install TenCrazy TrackDiag MFX to see what is sent to VSTi in "real time".

Thanks azslow3
 

azslow3
There are 2 PC sources:
1) MIDI track settings, visible in the track inspector. If you specify bank/patch there, it is sent when you play the track from the beginning (that also means changing settings there have no effect till you play the track from the beginning). Not in event list.

In my case this is the desired outcome, to set the instrument once at the track level
 

azslow3
2) PC changes in the track itself. They all appear in the event list.

any PC within the track is undesirable, am looking for a way to remove any and all PC in the track
 

azslow3 
Also 2 notes:
a) if you insert PC from the menu at measure 1, the setting is change for the track and not inserted into the the event list
 

noted, will bear this in mind, thanks

Another possibility is that two sonar tracks are BOTH sending patch change events to the same synth? 
 
I would not suggest going the 'convert to envelope' route before you figure out what is going on, btw. 

As to how to delete all patch changes in the track, again go to Event List, under View deselect all else except Patch Change (practically speaking, just deselect notes and controllers -- unless you also use pitch wheel or aftertouch). 
 
Once you've got only Patch Changes visible you'll find another darn inconsistency -- you can't select across mulitple pages-downs, it doesn't work like any normal program --- fix this CW!!! -- but somehow select them all and then press the DELETE key. 
 

With clips(s) selected: Edit > Select > By Filter, click None, click Patch, OK, Delete.

brundlefly
With clips(s) selected: Edit > Select > By Filter, click None, click Patch, OK, Delete.

As I said earlier, there are no other program changes in the event list. I have gone through each track individually as well as as selected multiple (all) tracks.
 
I do however agree something else is triggering a program change. Will investigate further over this weekend

brundlefly
With clips(s) selected: Edit > Select > By Filter, click None, click Patch, OK, Delete.

As I said earlier, there are no other program changes in the event list. I have gone through each track individually as well as as selected multiple (all) tracks.
 
I do however agree something else is triggering a program change. Will investigate further over this weekend