• SONAR
  • Beginner nightmare (p.2)
2015/12/20 01:41:59
robert_e_bone
Hang in there - Sonar IS a full-featured product, and there are tons of features.
 
These Cakewalk forums are a GOLD MINE of helpful folks, and even though they are user-forums, many of the Cakewalk staff members DO frequently pop in and help folks out or clarify things for all of us.
 
There are some included tutorials, and the Cake TV and ZILLIONS of other freely available videos, that address just about anything you could wish to do with Sonar, AND there are commercially available videos and really well-written books too.  Almost ALL of these options are way easier to learn from than just trying to absorb the product documentation, though there is a BUNCH of good useful information there too - it's just hard to connect the dots with that by itself, sometimes.
 
One thing that will help you right away, is to understand how to search for explanations and tips in these forums, because the forum search mechanisms themselves are quite primitive and not at all usable.
 
Most of us folks here will use Google to search for Sonar issues and answers, but have learned to make the Google searches more effective.
 
I suggest you add the Google 'site:' search control parameter to your search strings, to tell Google to only look for pages on the Cakewalk site, and further, if desired, to limit the search to only look in these forums.
 
To DO this, here are a couple of examples that may help demonstrate this:
 
Example 1 - for finding specific documentation pages, type the following into your address bar and hit Enter (for Google Search or whatever your default search engine is):
 
site:cakewalk.com documentation sonar step sequencer velocity
 
The above will search the cakewalk.com website for Sonar documentation on working with the velocity settings for the Step Sequencer.  For a more general set of results on using the Step Sequencer, just drop the 'velocity' from the search string.
 
Example 2 - to search these Sonar forums for threads/posts about drum maps, type the following into your address bar of a browser tab:
 
site:forum.cakewalk.com drum map
 
So, with either of the above, just change the parameters at the end as desired, to search for documentation or forum threads/posts for whatever you happen to be struggling with, and that will go a LONG way to quickly getting you answers without having to spend hours looking for needles in haystacks - both search methods will greatly cut down time needed to find many answers for things you are having trouble with.
 
And, post threads if you cannot find the information you need, and you will quickly find that these forums have a BUNCH of really dedicated and helpful folks that will bend over backwards to help you figure stuff out.  The one thing I would add there is that there is a general hope/expectation that you will be actively engaged in the threads you post, and that you also are making an effort to work at getting up to speed on things by reading/watching/trying as well.  But in any case, again, lots of available help in the forums, in addition to the other mentioned options above.  :)
 
Welcome to it - to do basic recording and creation of midi tracks - both for synths and for drums, you CAN get up to speed fairly quickly in Sonar, despite its great depth of features/functions.  'Record' is 'Record' no matter who's recording software you are using, and things like sequencing drums and editing audio and midi tracks are REALLY well covered with lots and lots of examples, so you will get up to speed and productive in a reasonable amount of time - it's really about combining becoming efficient at learning and finding information on how to do things, as well as spending some time just working through the mechanics of DOING things a few times until you get the hang of it.
 
Bob Bone
 
2015/12/20 06:42:58
sausy1981
Don't know whether you've seen my vids on this. I did a couple recently on this subject. Head over to www.YouTube.com/andrewbyrnemixing and check out the 2 videos I did recently on Addictive Drums.
2015/12/20 07:01:46
jamesg1213
sausy1981
Don't know whether you've seen my vids on this. I did a couple recently on this subject. Head over to www.YouTube.com/andrewbyrnemixing and check out the 2 videos I did recently on Addictive Drums.



I can recommend these vids, they're excellent. I've been using Sonar for years but was having trouble understanding AD2 until I watched these, they opened a few doors for me.
2015/12/20 07:35:39
mudgel
Another recommendation for sausy's videos.

You also mentioned Addictive Drums so you are in fact using a program (AD2) within a program (Sonar). We've had a few new users recently grumble about the extreme learning curve and believe me it's likely that many of us have had similar experiences along the way.

You have the power of a complete audio studio at your disposal the complexity of which would dumbfound most people. So don't worry too much and don't forget that we're here to help. There are only unanswered questions so go ahead and ask away. By the way, welcome to the Sonar forums and don't worry about the rant, I'm due for one soon too.
Give us a basic rundown of your equipment - you'll notice that many of us have it in our signature. BTW when using a mobile device you can't see forum signatures so you may already have done that and I can't see it.
2015/12/20 08:04:42
sausy1981
Thanks James and Mike, also just so the OP knows that if there is something specific you would like me to do a video on all you have to do is ask. Hope I can help.
2015/12/20 09:52:53
Adq
Moradbipbip
I am a beginner to digital recording and bought Sonar Pro 

Moradbipbip
Addictive Drums only gives me one Kick, one Snare, and one Crash and that's about it. Not a single Tom so don't call this "one kit included".

You must activate your AD2 serial number given by Cakewalk. With Sonar Professional you can choose 1 ADPak, 1 Midi pack, and 1 Kitpiece. Now you have only demo sounds from Fairfax Vol. 1 ADpak.
 
To program drums use PRV and Smart Tool. To arrange it use Track View and Clips. Use help on this topics if you have trouble with understanding how it works.
2015/12/20 17:27:57
cparmerlee
Moradbipbip
Thanks and im starting to get the picture that we all start out as super frustrated as I am now.

I suppose people who have a lot of experience with other full-featured DAWs don't have as much of conceptual frustration you are feeling.  But they have a different kind of frustration, such as "I know SONAR must be able to do this, but it isn't the same was as product xxxx"
 
That comes with the territory.  The world of full-functioned DAWs is really marvelous, but also extraordinarily complicated on many levels.  If you are serious about this, I would strongly recommend that you continue with Sonar and not go back to Garage Band.
 
While there are several full-functioned DAWs that are more or less equivalent, I think you will find that this forum is entirely different from the others.  Cakewalk has a very long tradition of working closely with customers are trying to make them happy and successful.  This forum is loaded with people who are extremely knowledgeable and eager to help those of us who are lower on the learning curve.  That makes a huge difference.
 
Best of luck to you.  It won't be long before you feel like a power user.
2015/12/21 10:58:32
rwheeler
I join those advocating for the helpfulness of Groove 3 teaching videos about Sonar. Also, if you browse your computer files in the Sonar directory, you should find a Sonar Reference Guide. The one for Sonar Platinum is 2,188 pages long. Actually not a bad idea to read it, daunting though that might seem. Read six to ten pages every day without fail and you will be done with your first pass reading in less than a year. However, I think most people use it as a true reference guide, looking up topics as needed. At the very least, read the entire table of contents to see what you have available, then dive in as needed.
2015/12/21 11:09:57
Paul G
You may want to get some midi grooves from someone like Groove Monkee.  It's a much easier way to get started programing drums.  Russ is a really nice guy and he even has some free loops to get you started.
 
http://groovemonkee.com/
 
Feed those into a drum synth like Session Drummer and you're off and running.
 
HTH
2015/12/21 13:24:22
Zargg
rwheeler
Read six to ten pages every day without fail and you will be done with your first pass reading in less than a year. However, I think most people use it as a true reference guide, looking up topics as needed. At the very least, read the entire table of contents to see what you have available, then dive in as needed.




I believe that this is very good advice.
All the best.
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