2015/06/17 18:02:47
BobF

 
 
Zonno
So,
In all these years.
I have never bought a Monster Cable!
 




I bought a Monster guitar cable several years ago when it was on sale really cheap.  Monster replaced it gratis last year with a slightly chintzier, even more poorly constructed new one.
2015/06/17 18:49:02
mettelus
LOL... If you click the link in the OP, there are more listed against them since 2007 too. I guess some missed the boycott message.
2015/06/18 11:44:06
vintagevibe
ohhey

On top of just being @holes they are just a marketing company, nothing special at all. Kinda like Bose only even less inovation. Consumer grade stuff at best.



I know it's fashionable to dis Bose but their development of personal line arrays is still ahead of everyone else in the industry.
2015/06/18 13:15:34
FLZapped
vintagevibe
ohhey

On top of just being @holes they are just a marketing company, nothing special at all. Kinda like Bose only even less inovation. Consumer grade stuff at best.



I know it's fashionable to dis Bose but their development of personal line arrays is still ahead of everyone else in the industry.


Hardly, I've used them, they are terrible.
2015/06/18 13:16:44
vintagevibe
FLZapped
vintagevibe
ohhey

On top of just being @holes they are just a marketing company, nothing special at all. Kinda like Bose only even less inovation. Consumer grade stuff at best.



I know it's fashionable to dis Bose but their development of personal line arrays is still ahead of everyone else in the industry.


Hardly, I've used them, they are terrible.


Hardly, I've used them and other brands.  Bose are the best.
2015/06/18 13:27:15
batsbrew
what's wrong with monster cable
2015/07/06 14:55:35
brconflict
I have to say, I love threads like THIS! It really shines on the poor souls who are led to believe that some copper that was freeze-dried in zero gravity at -270 degrees nitrogen, croygenically, and high-pressure cleaned by ionized barium enemas is better than something that already does a great job.
 
I laugh and slap my head when I see ads for a power cord that costs $10,000, but produces sound depth and dimensionality like nothing else. Then, I cry when I see suckers fall for that crap.
 
Monster is a company that really figured out the market of quality vs. cost. They realized that by doubling the cost of their products would actually sell! I can't say their products are bad, by any means. They really could be better in some ways, but in my opinion, only marginally. They're always a bit overpriced, which is why they do eventually end up in the bargain bin (where I'll buy them). btw, I bought my Monster Power equipment used. Less expensive.
 
Furman demonstrated their own willingness to discount the market's knowledge and offer products that have only limited functionality in regard to Power conditioning. What they build does the job well, but where they will label a product a Power Conditioner the product may only be a surge suppressor. It's Marketing, electrical outlets, voltage meter, and rack-lights with a switch and dimmer. The cost of the Power conditioning you enjoy is less than $1 if sourced economically. Now, THAT's creative marketing!
 
In defense of these companies, though, they are engines that work to keep the profits coming in, and they're very careful to market products with accuracy, legally. But whether it counts the consumer as intelligent is a whole other story.They do what they're supposed to do for their VC's, parent companies, or share-holders
 
To illsutrate my marketing point, evaluate these two cables:
 
1) Cable 1: Made with Gold-Searing precision-molecular form with Em=Hm2/4μ sputtering.  $69.99 (packaged in a graphite hard-shell case)
2) Cable 2: Made Oxygen-free copper. ISO4462 TX compliant. $9.99 (blister-pack with red-white labeling and standard font)
 
Which one would you buy and put in your studio. Remember, you want the best cable, because your studio MUST be devoid of signal issues and lost fidelity. Even if you can see through all this, there are so many who never can, and they'll experience immediate G.A.S. for the better cable.
 
Monster knows all this, and that's what I believe they think of you, the consumer.  Their cable might be better in some ways, but as a consumer, I point you to my signature quote below.
 
 
 
 
2015/07/06 15:33:40
batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
 
2015/07/06 17:23:54
brconflict
batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
 


I use Monster, myself. For me, I just don't believe all their hype. Even if they are marginally better than some other cables, I'll use them if I believe they're better. There's no science, though, for me. I just go with something advertised as being great, but is on sale. They won't convince me their Fiber-optics are any better, though.


2015/07/06 21:04:40
Brett
batsbrew
but what's wrong with monster cable?
 

 
Probably nothing other than the the price. Some cables are known to be out of spec and damaged female jacks.
 
There is an entire industry known as audiophiles who believe that items such as cables need to be of the highest quality. Most of their claims are totally rubbish while some are based on scientific principles that are misrepresented. Once you meet a certain minimum standard there is no difference in signal quality and his can be scientifically measured. I quite enjoy reading audiophile websites and visiting audiophile shops, there are a lot here in Tokyo. Fancy spending $700 on a 1 meter power cable? Wooden volume knobs for $100 each. One way speaker cables at $300 / meter? Monster Cables sell cables for different genres of music. Perhaps the worst is fiber optic and digital cables that are claimed to improve video signals!
 
With guitar and mic cables, or any other signal cable, all that is needed is a minimum standard, the conductors are a certain size, it's  shielded correctly, and it's manufactured correctly (ie it will handle typical use). I don't know what's available in various parts of the world but a brand name cable (eg Fender) for about $20 is just as good as anything more expensive. I buy Canare cables made by a little store in Akihabara or make my own from supplies I buy there. A 5 meter cable costs <$20.
 
The technical aspects: All cables have three qualities, resistance, capacitance and inductance. These can be easily measured and many cable manufactures will even specify them. In theory a cable can act as a low pass filter (ie high filter), but in practice the effect is so small it only affects frequencies so high they don't affect the sound, in fact filtering these is a good idea. And if you have active pickups the effect is even smaller.
 
Brett
 
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