should the input echo be turned off? I notice with it on the level is louder than with it off. Is it feeding itself or something?

The original tracks are likely still feeding it with Echo on thus causing the volume increase.

Thanks Beepster. I should have been a little more descriptive and said turn off the patch point or aux track, not the original track. I know the original should be turned off.

I may be misunderstanding the nature of the question because I haven't played with PP/Aux stuff yet...
 
But, if the Echo button on the target track (so the Aux track) is still engaged and the source tracks are still routed to it then it would make sense that you would get the input sound from the source tracks ON TOP of what you just recorded on the Aux track once you hit play. If you turn off Input Echo on the Aux track then the source tracks are no longer coming into the Aux track and all you hear is the recorded clip on the Aux track (which will be normal volume/quieter).
 
Kind of like if you had recorded a guitar track, left the input echo on then played the part again on your guitar WHILE the part you just recorded played back. It would essentially be two of the same thing being heard at once and thus increasing the volume.
 
However... as I said I may be misunderstanding the nature of the question or the nature of the new Aux/PP tracks themselves.
 
Cheers.

Thanks again Beepster. The Source track has nothing recorded on it. I use the source track to record through to the patch point or aux. What you said is correct. In my case with the source track input echo off there should be no signal going to the patch point or aux. (in this case a patch point). I was curious why I am getting a few db louder sound with the input echo on on the patch point and lower when I turn it off. Sorry for not being as descriptive from the get go.

Ah... I see. That does sound weird. Almost like there is a sound signal leak somewhere feeding the Aux track or something. Maybe an effect on the source track or an unaccounted for send?
 
If someone can confirm it (and no functional explanation can be found) it might be worth reporting it to the Bakers. You may have found something undesirable.
 
You have however piqued my curiosity...
 
What are you doing that led you to send a live input through a track to be recorded into an aux track instead of the input track itself? I'm imagining various things (like multi mic'd amps or maybe you are just experimenting). Like I said... just curious. I'll hopefully get a chance to mess with the new routing stuff soon.
 
Cheers.

If the source track has no recording on it and is not echoing live input to the aux track, and disabling input echo on the Aux track lowers the output level, I think the only possibility is that you have another track outputting/sending to the patchpoint. I can't imagine any other scenario that would account for that, other than a bug that I don't think exists based on my personal experience with patch points so far.
 
You can check this quickly by soloing the aux track.

Beepster
Ah... I see. That does sound weird. Almost like there is a sound signal leak somewhere feeding the Aux track or something. Maybe an effect on the source track or an unaccounted for send?
 
If someone can confirm it (and no functional explanation can be found) it might be worth reporting it to the Bakers. You may have found something undesirable.
 
You have however piqued my curiosity...
 
What are you doing that led you to send a live input through a track to be recorded into an aux track instead of the input track itself? I'm imagining various things (like multi mic'd amps or maybe you are just experimenting). Like I said... just curious. I'll hopefully get a chance to mess with the new routing stuff soon.
 
Cheers.

Beepster, One of the great things about the aux's and patch points you can now record through a plugin in real time. If you want to eq, compress etc. on the way in you can. For this reason I don't need to use Studio One.
 
As for the DB difference when turning on and off the input echo. I opened a project that has no aux's or patch points. Solo'd the bass track and turned the input echo on and off and got the few db differences so I don't think there is a problem per say but it's probably just that when you turn on input echo it opens up the channel or something which is I think normal.

I think your interface or external mixer must be feeding some signal back to the input or something. SONAR by itself will definitely not do that. It's come up in the past that some Focusrite interfaces bleed signal between analog output and input sections, but I would not have thought it would be that audible without causing big feedback. The complaint I've heard before is that users get a faint metronome click recorded in otherwise silent sections of a track.

brundlefly
I think your interface or external mixer must be feeding some signal back to the input or something. SONAR by itself will definitely not do that. It's come up in the past that some Focusrite interfaces bleed signal between analog output and input sections, but I would not have thought it would be that audible without causing big feedback. The complaint I've heard before is that users get a faint metronome click recorded in otherwise silent sections of a track.

I've never noticed any bleed in any of my tracks faint or otherwise. I also recall reading here about some Focusrite interfaces having this issue. I'll have to try some tests to be sure.
 
Thanks