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  • Rebuild system- Major problem SOLVED (p.2)
2015/12/12 18:49:28
jshep0102
It worked - yea! I have Win 10 on my Samsung SSD, and SPLAT loaded, too.
 
Bad news is RME 9632 or UAD card drivers load after installing them, rebooting, installing the card ( one at a time) and rebooting for drivers to load. BUT - they are still on my HDD, which is not connected to the system. Do I have to uninstall them first? I'm afraid to in case I won't have a system to work on.
2015/12/12 19:30:38
jshep0102
I unhooked the new drive to go back to the old one to remove RME and UAD drivers. Upon hooking the new drive up, it will not boot - says there is no OS on it. It shows up as the system starts up, and in BIOS. I have no idea how to tell what's on it and what's not. That's what I get for thinking I got past the hard part. HELP!
2015/12/12 21:35:14
microapp
I don't understand why you need to remove drivers from old HDD.
If the HDD will not boot, then boot the Win 10 SSD and hook up the HDD as a data only drive.
You should be able to read it even tho it will not boot. I think the drivers you mention are downloadable from the manf's sites.
 
Also, check the bios drive order when using multiple drives. It may be booting from something else when its says 'no OS'.
2015/12/12 22:01:20
jshep0102
Apparently when W10 installed, no boot partition was made on the drive. It was formatted. Do I reformat and start over? What's to keep the drive from not being in the right state so this doesn't happen again?
 I have no idea what to do with this crap. Another complete day lost.
2015/12/12 22:20:12
microapp
It prob put the w10 boot partition on the HDD since the SSD had the one partition AND another drive was available..
 
Disconnect all drives except the SSD that will get W10 installed.
Install W10, reconnect drives.
 
You should be able to repair W7 on the HDD from a w7 DVD or downloaded .iso .
2015/12/12 22:28:37
jshep0102
I had to use cmd prompt bootsect and inactivate the partition of the new drive. It allowed the repair to do it's thing and now it's fixed. Man this is one long road to a fast pc... Thanks much for extending a hand. 
2015/12/13 10:36:53
bitflipper
What a hassle! Glad you got it going. A few observations, albeit too late (sorry, I'd missed the thread):
 
1. I would not use an SSD for my boot or swap devices, both of which are typically on drive C:. The advantage of an SSD is its blazing speed, but it has one disadvantage over Winchester drives: its storage capacity is slowly reduced over time, the rate of which depends on how often it's written to. If it hosts the swap drive, it'll get written to a LOT. 
 
2. But since you've already got the SSD in place as the boot device, you can alleviate this problem by moving the swap space to another disk. Don't worry about performance; your 16 GB of RAM will help assure that page faults are minimal. (You could even get another SSD and dedicate it to the swap file. It can be the smallest, cheapest one you can find.)
 
Windows 10 really buries this feature...go to the Advanced tab on the System control panel applet and click on Settings, then to the Advanced tab of that dialog and click on "Change" under "Virtual Memory". When you finally (whew) get to the Virtual Memory dialog, you can specify a different disk drive to host your VM paging device. 
 
3. I have to admit I've never replaced the C: drive with an SSD (which I'd be reluctant to do anyway), but I have had many occasions to replace the C: drive with another hard disk. Each time I've done that, I have kept the original drive installed under a different drive letter. There are several advantages to doing that. First, you have an alternate boot device ready in a pinch. Second, all your old files are there to be easily copied over to the new drive (you will always remember something you forgot to copy, sometimes months later). Third, once you're done with the old drive you can delete what's on it and use it for additional storage such as project and library backups, or to host the swap space.
 
4. There is very little advantage to using an SSD for drivers, or for anything else that loads once and stays resident in memory. We're talking about a couple milliseconds at boot time. If you have important files such as drivers on the old drive, it's perfectly OK to leave them there (unless you've had problems with the old drive and are no longer confident it's reliable).
 
Similarly, running SONAR from the old drive isn't a big deal, either. How long did it take to open SONAR on the hard drive with no project? 2 seconds? How many times a day do you do that? Once or twice? Is it worth the bother to save 2-4 seconds a day? Read one less forum post per day instead.
 
The big time savings is going to come from files you either read many times or are very large, e.g. project files and sample libraries. Those can be moved to the SSD, assuming it's big enough to hold them all. They do not need to be on the same drive as SONAR. 
2015/12/13 22:33:00
microapp
I have 5 PCs with an SSD for the C: drive. (2 W8.1 laptops, 2 W8.1 desktops, 1 W10 desktop). My W8.1 DAW has 2 SSDs. In fact if you look at the many recommendations for SSDs in DAW systems on this forum and elsewhere, I believe that all suggest C: drive SSDs.
The fact that all your (Windows installed) programs, VST/VSTi dlls load many times faster is worth the cost of a 120-250GB SSD IMHO.
I have been building/upgrading PCs since they first appeared and there is nothing even close to C: SSD for ROI for improving system performance short of a major MBRD/CPU upgrade.
 
1 SSD      C:
2 SSD      C:, sample lib drive
3 SSD      C:, sample lib drive, real-time audio drive
2015/12/13 22:36:25
jshep0102
Thanks very much for a wealth of valuable info, Dave. I understand your thoughts on use of SSD's as boot drives. Fortunately, this is 500GB and I'm pairing down what will live on it compared to it's predecessor.. I'm kinda shocked at how much it's impacted performance. I had a couple projects that were totally bogged down to the point it took more than 1 second to move focus from Track 1 to Track 2 with a mouse click. They wouldn't even play below 256. Now they play at 64 with no pops/clicks at all. And these projects took 3 minutes to load and 15 seconds now. Kick ass performance I'm glad to say is at my fingertips.
 
I did as you said you would in that I kept the original drive in place and I'm going back and forth in the BIOS to 'get my stuff'. It's taking forever to install and register everything. I'm glad I have zero need to open old files, as I'm positive there's no way it would all reconnect.
 
I may need to call on you should I have any difficulty doing the swap file thing you spoke of. That sounds very necessary. My next SSD will be for my 3/4 TB sample library collection. Again, thanks much, friend.
2015/12/13 22:44:46
microapp
Moving page and/or swap file is fairly simple for W8.1 /W10.
 
http://www.download3k.com...dows-8-8.1-or-10-00430
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