the difference between sin/cos or square root...?

yeah that bizarre to me too! sin/cos... square root... huh?

And it's absolutely right to get on here and use the forum to ask users what they think... it's what it's for! It's a community. And a crabby one sometimes! But you gotta love 'em! They're very helpful between the crabbings...

ORIGINAL: evansmalley

the difference between sin/cos or square root...?

yeah that bizarre to me too! sin/cos... square root... huh?

And it's absolutely right to get on here and use the forum to ask users what they think... it's what it's for! It's a community. And a crabby one sometimes! But you gotta love 'em! They're very helpful between the crabbings...

A while ago we discussed this here and someone posted a graphic representation of how sin/cos works vs. sqaure root. It's probably hard to find at this point. In the end the difference was not that much and to be honest my projects are mixed up between the two. I always use -3dB center but which one doesn't matter to me. I can't hear a difference but it's hard to without being able to instantly A/B the two which you can't.

I got on the OP becuase he openly admited he was too lazy to search and that annoys me. Now I understand searching for stuff on the forum can be combersome but Google rules and the top hit on my search got me the best answer. I mean c'mon if you are too lazy to use Google you don't deserve to know. What next, will someone have to go to the guy's house and actually pick his fat butt off the couch and put his hand on the mouse and keyboard? I'm just tired of people who are lazy in the this country....ah but don't get me started on that!

In the end he got his answer without having to do any research of his own.

Basically

What pan law: The one that makes sense to you

Why: Because it makes sense to you.

They are all good, they are just different. Do not use more than one unless you understand them well enough for both to make a different sense to you. If only one made sense there would only be one.

Original: Hansenhaus

In the end he got his answer without having to do any research of his own.

Ha ha, I win! (Just kidding).

The reason I was to lazy was that the forum search is crap and my google (in Sweden) don't show what yours are showing. I only got a crappy wikiedia article worse than than the manual (wich I've read)... The reason for being lazy should probably be more like having to much to do to have time to scavenge the internet and forum search beacause so it was not a case of sitting in the couch and no, I'm not fat Understand your position totally though with what you've written in mind. Also the thing I was interested in was 1) what and why you forumites do what you do (subjective) and 2) the difference between the same-setting-laws (0 or 0. -3 or -3...). I admit I might not have been totally clear on that. I will definitely check that harmony central link out thanks, my google didn't show it...

Thank you all for your input!

The 0db center means that things get 3db louder as you move them to the center from the sides, mimicking the natural behavior of stereo sound reproduction. I'm accustomed to that behavior, and it seems very natural to me. As I pan things out to the sides, I tend to turn them down anyway, since they become clearer as they move out of the congestion. This pan law just does it for me automatically.

Some folks find it disconcerting when the volume changes with panning, which is why the -3db option exists.

WOW! Thanks bit! This is VERY HELPFUL. This is actually explained better than in SONAR 7 Power! (Sorry Scott.)

I have mine set to -3db (because SCOTT told me to, and I follow directions like a mindless automaton when advice comes from those with superior knowledge . . . but I digress . . . )—

—but I still notice a bit of dropoff when I pan to the sides. This bugs me. What setting prevents this from happening? I just want the volume to stay constant throughout the pan.

Is what I'm experiencing NOT supposed to happen? Because, BIT, in your post it sounds like it's not supposed to. Maybe I'm being ultra sensitive, but if I noticed the volume change BEFORE I knew the above - there HAS to be something. It's not just a placebo effect.

Anyway FWIW, no question is a dumb question, especially since I just learned something new on a "redundant" post!

—but I still notice a bit of dropoff when I pan to the sides. This bugs me. What setting prevents this from happening? I just want the volume to stay constant throughout the pan.

0 dB Center, Balance Control--this choice causes no boost in a signal that's panned hard left or right, and no dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

"the juice may not be worth the squeeze"...

Love it!!!!

ORIGINAL: papa2004

—but I still notice a bit of dropoff when I pan to the sides. This bugs me. What setting prevents this from happening? I just want the volume to stay constant throughout the pan.

0 dB Center, Balance Control--this choice causes no boost in a signal that's panned hard left or right, and no dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

Wrong answer. When using that setting, a signal in the center will sound louder that when panned to one side or the other. Constant volume can only be achieved by boosting the signal when panned or attenuating it when centered. As bitflipper said:

The 0db center means that things get 3db louder as you move them to the center from the sides

ORIGINAL: papa2004

—but I still notice a bit of dropoff when I pan to the sides. This bugs me. What setting prevents this from happening? I just want the volume to stay constant throughout the pan.

0 dB Center, Balance Control--this choice causes no boost in a signal that's panned hard left or right, and no dip in output level in either channel when the signal is center panned.

THIS IS WHERE THE CONFUSION STARTS!!!!!

The 0db center means that things get 3db louder as you move them to the center from the sides, mimicking the natural behavior of stereo sound reproduction. I'm accustomed to that behavior, and it seems very natural to me. As I pan things out to the sides, I tend to turn them down anyway, since they become clearer as they move out of the congestion. This pan law just does it for me automatically.

so the key is BALANCE CONTROL?

Sorry I'm thick, but THANKS!

EDIT: I see JP Keys beat me to it at just about the same time I was composing this. SO perhaps (not TOO thick!?)

Pan laws, pan laws, who broke the law!? Urrm balance and levels are the key and the fact that I use SONAR only! I don't flirt with other DAWS or my wife would slap me {Oh Yeah Baby}