Anderton
....................And Jim Roseberry responded in post #91 with what you might consider promoting his company and products, but I consider adding his (considerable and quite formidable) expertise to the thread. A lot of people don't know the lengths these companies go to in order to create specialized computers. I have no problem with them explaining the facts of what they do, why they do it, and the results they try to accomplish. 
 
Conspiracy theories may be entertaining, but education is useful.
 

Absolutely! Even though I am one who espouses users try to do their own thing, I respect and appreciate folks like JR who take the time to post. There are often little pearls of wisdom (that not even they are aware of ) if you open your mind and comprehend what is being said. So for another shameful plug - from personal experience Jim Roseberry also happens to produce some really REALLY good VST drum kits! 

Anderton

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But this thread is not a story. It is an ad (Sponsored Content). I might have to re-read the CoC but I am pretty sure it is against the rules.

 
Furthermore, the thread accomplished what I wanted - a discussion about using computers integrated for music, and hopefully, the people on this forum who have consistent computer problems would realize there are ways to have a much smoother experience if you don't have the time, inclination, or knowledge to build your own machine. I really don't understand how anyone could have a problem with that...but then again, there are many things about humanoid bipeds I don't fully understand . 

 
I certainly don't have a problem with any of that and I think this raises a good point. There are probably a large percentage of folks who come to these threads with Sonar loaded on a computer that is under powered for what they're trying to do with it.
 
I actually had a computer in  one of the vendors mentioned  online cart, but decided I would rather roll my own. I wish all of them well.
 
These guys aren't getting rich doing this ..You  become the mother hen forever. I don't envy these guys. I think they offer a valuable service to the people who don't want the hassle.
 
One thing that could maybe be improved with respect to deciding on a computer to use for recording work is a multi tiered spec based on what the user is trying to do. Maybe more education on how to disable onboard sound select drivers...that kind of thing. Cakewalk has put some info out there already.
 
Far too many new users look at only the cost of Sonar since they already have a computer and I think the view should be threefold. Sonar/interface/computer all in one big package. Looking at only one or two of those and ignoring the others is asking for problems. OTOH if Cakewalk comes out and says that our software will only work for large projects on 50% or less of the consumer computers out there, this wouldn't turn out very well. So the buyer realizes sooner or later that they need another computer if they happen to fall into that category. They then either opt to build their own, buy a more high powered prebuilt or look up one of the companies above.
 
 

 
I think too much education, and doing some of it, as bent science...Is where the Earth blows up by Nuclear fiddling...
 
But, Let us say...why do we need rocket science secrets, in PC land?....to make a PC work (they hide the formula...and if so..Only to gain profits?.....
Why does Sonar sell a windows based software application, saying "system requirements are x,y,z" for it to run...and best requirements are listed after as WKRP...Yet do not disclose that this will not work completely unless bought from ...Builder W>T>C ..///for a very nice price...of do not remove sticker, or open the box to add in or upon...if done it voids the warranty of all Licences, and agreements there in or on, or upon buying....and charges can apply for fixing....endlessly?,,,sure!
 
 
Now updates and upgrades, can be used against that warranty, and lay the user and buyer into a hole, that never resolves if let to happen...or done by, to cause faults.......MS updates if it Screws the light bulb in too tight, oe does a bad thing to the OS, or causes something to be corrupted.... to cause the cpu to hickup, and spiking issues with X cards or HDMI sound implimentation, and the HD Drives to thrash.. causing more issues....
 
And Sonar never does due dillegance to solve..or help resolve..Yet Promotes builders of Choice...be it one or three...or more....It is not on the box.!!
 
 
 
Just got more updates for win 10...hmmm...I guess they are still fixing, breaking things....And it continue to go on, and on....Turn off defender, and all redundant gear....is suppose to work...until they make it not work.
 
I Guess is the game...?
 
Oh El Capitan has issues also, with some audio devices..Nice to know Apple is still charging for tech support?...wonder why no more!...and they just made a update also....interesting eh?.
 
 
Stay tune in for more mayhem, at a cost list price!...and secret secrets to keep it so....is supposed to be in the manual to make Sonar Work with PC and OS.
 
Eh?
 
 

Sir Les
 
I think too much education, and doing some of it, as bent science...Is where the Earth blows up by Nuclear fiddling...
 
But, Let us say...why do we need rocket science secrets, in PC land?....to make a PC work (they hide the formula...and if so..Only to gain profits?.....
Why does Sonar sell a windows based software application, saying "system requirements are x,y,z" for it to run...and best requirements are listed after as WKRP...Yet do not disclose that this will not work completely unless bought from ...Builder W>T>C ..///for a very nice price...of do not remove sticker, or open the box to add in or upon...if done it voids the warranty of all Licences, and agreements there in or on, or upon buying....and charges can apply for fixing....endlessly?,,,sure!
 
 
Now updates and upgrades, can be used against that warranty, and lay the user and buyer into a hole, that never resolves if let to happen...or done by, to cause faults.......MS updates if it Screws the light bulb in too tight, oe does a bad thing to the OS, or causes something to be corrupted.... to cause the cpu to hickup, and spiking issues with X cards or HDMI sound implimentation, and the HD Drives to thrash.. causing more issues....
 
And Sonar never does due dillegance to solve..or help resolve..Yet Promotes builders of Choice...be it one or three...or more....It is not on the box.!!
 
 
 
Just got more updates for win 10...hmmm...I guess they are still fixing, breaking things....And it continue to go on, and on....Turn off defender, and all redundant gear....is suppose to work...until they make it not work.
 
I Guess is the game...?
 
Oh El Capitan has issues also, with some audio devices..Nice to know Apple is still charging for tech support?...wonder why no more!...and they just made a update also....interesting eh?.
 
 
Stay tune in for more mayhem, at a cost list price!...and secret secrets to keep it so....is supposed to be in the manual to make Sonar Work with PC and OS.
 
Eh?
 
 

not quite sure of your point here? Anyone who sells software for Windows is aware of the almost infinite number of posibilities for different software/hardware combos. This makes universal compatibility almost impossible. so by providing monthly updates/fixes they are trying their damndest to correct those little foibles.
as you say even in the closed hardware world of Apple they are having lots of issues too. it's just the nature of complex software.
at least CW listen and respond to their customers -for free!

Sir LesOh El Capitan has issues also, with some audio devices

It would be more accurate to say that some audio device manufacturers left it until after El Capitan was released to start thinking about producing drivers that work with it. Despite preview releases of El Cap being around for months beforehand. I got bitten by MOTU's Yosemite driver sending El Cap into a flat spin. Yet MOTU had a working beta driver out within a week - what was it that prevented them doing in the months before El Cap's release what they did in the days after release?

If you want to buy an off-the-shelf computer for audio or video work then to be as certain there'll be as few problems as possible that means buying from either Apple or someone like Jim R (or a similar specialist PC builder). Or, if you're prepared to be your own quality checker and hardware tester build a PC yourself.

A consumer/gaming PC might be configurable as a good DAW or it might not - the problem Microsoft has been heroically struggling against right back to NT3.5 is that PCs are generally put together out of a disparate bunch of parts and then require the BIOS to be configured correctly, drivers to be optimal, cooling, power saving and core parking tackled etc. Which means researching lots of things before you buy anything.

mgh

Sir Les
 
I think too much education, and doing some of it, as bent science...Is where the Earth blows up by Nuclear fiddling...
 
But, Let us say...why do we need rocket science secrets, in PC land?....to make a PC work (they hide the formula...and if so..Only to gain profits?.....
Why does Sonar sell a windows based software application, saying "system requirements are x,y,z" for it to run...and best requirements are listed after as WKRP...Yet do not disclose that this will not work completely unless bought from ...Builder W>T>C ..///for a very nice price...of do not remove sticker, or open the box to add in or upon...if done it voids the warranty of all Licences, and agreements there in or on, or upon buying....and charges can apply for fixing....endlessly?,,,sure!
 
 
Now updates and upgrades, can be used against that warranty, and lay the user and buyer into a hole, that never resolves if let to happen...or done by, to cause faults.......MS updates if it Screws the light bulb in too tight, oe does a bad thing to the OS, or causes something to be corrupted.... to cause the cpu to hickup, and spiking issues with X cards or HDMI sound implimentation, and the HD Drives to thrash.. causing more issues....
 
And Sonar never does due dillegance to solve..or help resolve..Yet Promotes builders of Choice...be it one or three...or more....It is not on the box.!!
 
 
 
Just got more updates for win 10...hmmm...I guess they are still fixing, breaking things....And it continue to go on, and on....Turn off defender, and all redundant gear....is suppose to work...until they make it not work.
 
I Guess is the game...?
 
Oh El Capitan has issues also, with some audio devices..Nice to know Apple is still charging for tech support?...wonder why no more!...and they just made a update also....interesting eh?.
 
 
Stay tune in for more mayhem, at a cost list price!...and secret secrets to keep it so....is supposed to be in the manual to make Sonar Work with PC and OS.
 
Eh?
 
 

not quite sure of your point here? Anyone who sells software for Windows is aware of the almost infinite number of posibilities for different software/hardware combos. This makes universal compatibility almost impossible. so by providing monthly updates/fixes they are trying their damndest to correct those little foibles.
as you say even in the closed hardware world of Apple they are having lots of issues too. it's just the nature of complex software.
at least CW listen and respond to their customers -for free!

 
Yes they are...Yet on this post...someone claims the Builders have the secret.....So I play along....And wink.
 
There is never going to be a solution until CW make their own OS...and hardware...Like Avid?...
 
Well speak to Korg...They put a midi and audio sequencer into a keyboard running Linux?...or something liken...just to do the job...with SSDs....and can use usb...and surely other developments.
 
Why base a app that has so much good intensions kind of working, on something so open to mayhem?....Well...answer the question?....I already did....MONEY!
 
And if we make life about money, and more moe money...Then we weigh it all down to a very heavy weight.of burden..And if it is to high a price...many die and suffer more...causing more crime and upheavals in the bent system...then Poor people are born...more so, that cannot have....and the can nots should not exceed the ones who do have in numbers...And they have a lot of em now!...But still they do not share, nor give...or are kind, as they raise the cost and the tax and reajust the counting systems so no one can count right or wrong on it....and sacrifices made for it.
 
.....If war is attached to the third hand, and fourth, that is asking it be under such a system, or born into....And all tied up not doing any sowing of seeds, or tending to the living, or making sure the air and water and soils stay in some form of heathy state of continuance........Got em all  misdirected, and turned aways....on the Box, in some other employment, or diverted into a business polluting it, and lying about the products sold...to sell a pig in a poe....and frustrated consumers+.loss of time.......to make the mind snap...or twist...or contaminate with lies....and it is being fixed?....while dragged along...trying...with faith for..but never perfect...or caused to break down...or just breaking down with the limit set.
 
On the box when bought it says...Works with, this ...And it does for some, for a while, or to one extent or another, but not fully...and then it does not do the deed......and the game is a foot...or a Qubit?
 
And when that counting is done..at the end of the day......Does one.1..1 really add up to 1?....
 
That is just another thing to think about....what is a lie?...and what is a liar?.....
 
Claims, licence agreements, and oath?.....or Promise?...
 
Yah make excuses why it does not work?....I already established that as being so, as it is others causing it!.....is that the pun for fun in this?....
 
 
So if the builders have solutions that are held secret secret...and they sell to run software of audio...and audio is being hampered by something with many....(Not just CW or PC)....Then how is it solved for, so it is good, honest and loyal to its oath?.
 
Here is where I seek the cause....the root...the finite end to the mayhem....
 
Perhaps our efforts are hampered by a higher truth.
 
That is what I now cling to....Lies do not prevail....SO be honest, and keep on....but hay..it now cost too much to even turn on the damn thing, just to troubleshoot it.
 
Might as well move on to other things...and make music without the recorder...scribe thingy...
 
Works for so many who do not buy this stuff....
 
I guess it can continue....if we keep our heads learnt how to do that ourselves...costing nothing but to do.
 
 
Just saying.
 
So something has to give it up!....secrets?...perhaps...truth...Perhaps...
 
cheers.
 

Some car owners change their own oil. Some car owners pay someone to change it for them. If the person you paid strips the threads on the screws holding the filter in place, it's their problem. If you strip the threads, it's your problem.

Complaining about people who have done work and research to streamline both product and process in their line of business is just bad form. Besides, people like Jim and Scott, do share their knowledge on this forum ...they just don't give away the farm.
 
There are a lot of tweaks that are out there to be found that are shared. 
 
I build my own DAW. I enjoy assembling a machine and configuring it, but I have been in IT a while. If I didn't feel confident I was in the ballpark of a optimized rock solid DAW, I wouldn't hesitate to have one built. But there were a lot of failures in the early stages. There are a LOT of variables! That, and I don't buy cheap parts!