joden

Anderton
............................I'll find out what's changed since Vista-64 was in vogue (which is when I got my computer, and it just keeps on going and going...).

  Vista 64? So I see you like to keep up with current trends then?! hahaha!

Well, the OS is Windows 7, which I guess isn't much better...I really need to update to 10. But the computer is from that era, and still kicks butt, so...I keep using it.

yeah Craig I agree with that. What I tell people all the time when I am repairing PC's - because they invariably ask if they should upgrade, and I ask them..."does the computer do everything YOU need it to do?" And provided it still all operates within specs? I just tell them to keep it. A PC never goes out of date if it continues to do the jobs required of it!

Jon Bryson
Huh, I live in Albuquerque and had no idea there was an office here... have to go check it out and introduce myself.

We're not open to the public, but you're free to be in touch if you're in the area. 

joden

Anderton

joden
A solid well spec'd off the shelf unit with later versions of Windows (7, 8.1 or 10) and you are pretty good to go.

Well I'd certainly agree a computer like that can be good to go, but it's not necessarily going to be acoustically treated, have a graphics card that doesn't use a fan, include an overrated power supply so you can run all those UA boards, incorporate enough RAM to stream all your Kontakt instruments from memory, etc. Granted, if you're savvy you can probably make those changes yourself, but sometimes it's a lot easier just to pay the extra bucks to get what you need as soon as you flip the power switch to "on." Think about it for a sec...Apple has pretty much built its business on "pay us more, and we'll take care of you." It's the same with custom integrators and Windows.

hahaha I don't disagree Craig - just saying I think it is all just a tad overblown! Personally I run my system with the "box" in another room...It's a drywall with a hole cut so that cabling goes through the wall to the box. All that is in the studio is monitor and keyboard/mouse. The distance between box and me is only about three feet, but the noise floor is practically zero. 
 
In regard to specs, well you do write it so that it sounds pretty heavy, but any decent off the shelf (OTS) unit with 8-16gig of ram and an i7 2500+ processor will handle that, and these days those systems are more or less pretty standard and not bespoke -  and further, decent OTS units also have "decent" power supplies and a non-fan GPU can be installed easily. If you want to spend $'s using these guys (or similar) then have at it, all I am saying is it is really not necessary. 
 
As a footnote, I have read tales of people getting PC's from companies such as this and STILL having a hell of a time with them, things not working, crashing constantly etc etc...all good m8, still love your work, just a friendly disagreement on this one

Firstly, off the shelf systems are ok,  but I guarantee we do it better.  Also, try calling Dell for Sonar support.  Please, try it.  Tell me your experience ;) Then, call my team -- and watch the difference.  
 
AS for "tales" -- we work to make every single customer happy, and it shows in our testimonials (thanks Craig!), and the customers we work with -- thousands of them. 
 
Self built is ok, but have you tested hundreds of components for hundreds of hours? Can you tell me what motherboard/RAM combo will have the lowest DPC latency numbers?  Can you tell me the highest track count you can get at 192k utilizing different audio interfaces, and different system configs?  That's what we do. That's why we're good at what we do.  That's why people  choose to work with us. 
 
If you can build your own, great -- but I've had plenty of customers call me for information on what we do, work to mimic it, then call me two months later, with a non-working system, or being unable to get what they need out of their system, out money, time, and work.  Want to get it done fast, and right the first time? Cool, call my team. Don't care to? That's fine. We work with plenty of great people who enjoy what we do. 
 
Thanks! 
 

Anderton

joden

Anderton
............................I'll find out what's changed since Vista-64 was in vogue (which is when I got my computer, and it just keeps on going and going...).

  Vista 64? So I see you like to keep up with current trends then?! hahaha!

Well, the OS is Windows 7, which I guess isn't much better...I really need to update to 10. But the computer is from that era, and still kicks butt, so...I keep using it.

We can get you to 10 on a separate partition/drive when I'm in Nashville again, if you'd like -- or my team can build you a disk image you could use, too, set you up for dual-boot so you could be able to do testing/work but keep Win7.  
:) 
 

Anderton

joden

Anderton
............................I'll find out what's changed since Vista-64 was in vogue (which is when I got my computer, and it just keeps on going and going...).

  Vista 64? So I see you like to keep up with current trends then?! hahaha!

Well, the OS is Windows 7, which I guess isn't much better...I really need to update to 10. But the computer is from that era, and still kicks butt, so...I keep using it.

Also, slightly off topic, did you see my writeup on Win10 that I did for MS for Summer NAMM? Sonar was the DAW of choice for that one :) 
http://pcaudiolabs.com/windows-10-for-pro-audio/
 
 

brianobedia

joden

Anderton

joden
A solid well spec'd off the shelf unit with later versions of Windows (7, 8.1 or 10) and you are pretty good to go.

Well I'd certainly agree a computer like that can be good to go, but it's not necessarily going to be acoustically treated, have a graphics card that doesn't use a fan, include an overrated power supply so you can run all those UA boards, incorporate enough RAM to stream all your Kontakt instruments from memory, etc. Granted, if you're savvy you can probably make those changes yourself, but sometimes it's a lot easier just to pay the extra bucks to get what you need as soon as you flip the power switch to "on." Think about it for a sec...Apple has pretty much built its business on "pay us more, and we'll take care of you." It's the same with custom integrators and Windows.

hahaha I don't disagree Craig - just saying I think it is all just a tad overblown! Personally I run my system with the "box" in another room...It's a drywall with a hole cut so that cabling goes through the wall to the box. All that is in the studio is monitor and keyboard/mouse. The distance between box and me is only about three feet, but the noise floor is practically zero. 
 
In regard to specs, well you do write it so that it sounds pretty heavy, but any decent off the shelf (OTS) unit with 8-16gig of ram and an i7 2500+ processor will handle that, and these days those systems are more or less pretty standard and not bespoke -  and further, decent OTS units also have "decent" power supplies and a non-fan GPU can be installed easily. If you want to spend $'s using these guys (or similar) then have at it, all I am saying is it is really not necessary. 
 
As a footnote, I have read tales of people getting PC's from companies such as this and STILL having a hell of a time with them, things not working, crashing constantly etc etc...all good m8, still love your work, just a friendly disagreement on this one

Firstly, off the shelf systems are ok,  but I guarantee we do it better.  Also, try calling Dell for Sonar support.  Please, try it.  Tell me your experience ;) Then, call my team -- and watch the difference.  
 
AS for "tales" -- we work to make every single customer happy, and it shows in our testimonials (thanks Craig!), and the customers we work with -- thousands of them. 
 
Self built is ok, but have you tested hundreds of components for hundreds of hours? Can you tell me what motherboard/RAM combo will have the lowest DPC latency numbers?  Can you tell me the highest track count you can get at 192k utilizing different audio interfaces, and different system configs?  That's what we do. That's why we're good at what we do.  That's why people  choose to work with us. 
 
If you can build your own, great -- but I've had plenty of customers call me for information on what we do, work to mimic it, then call me two months later, with a non-working system, or being unable to get what they need out of their system, out money, time, and work.  Want to get it done fast, and right the first time? Cool, call my team. Don't care to? That's fine. We work with plenty of great people who enjoy what we do. 
 
Thanks! 
 

Hey guy, no need to take it personally...it's all good

joden

brianobedia

joden

Anderton

joden
A solid well spec'd off the shelf unit with later versions of Windows (7, 8.1 or 10) and you are pretty good to go.

Well I'd certainly agree a computer like that can be good to go, but it's not necessarily going to be acoustically treated, have a graphics card that doesn't use a fan, include an overrated power supply so you can run all those UA boards, incorporate enough RAM to stream all your Kontakt instruments from memory, etc. Granted, if you're savvy you can probably make those changes yourself, but sometimes it's a lot easier just to pay the extra bucks to get what you need as soon as you flip the power switch to "on." Think about it for a sec...Apple has pretty much built its business on "pay us more, and we'll take care of you." It's the same with custom integrators and Windows.

hahaha I don't disagree Craig - just saying I think it is all just a tad overblown! Personally I run my system with the "box" in another room...It's a drywall with a hole cut so that cabling goes through the wall to the box. All that is in the studio is monitor and keyboard/mouse. The distance between box and me is only about three feet, but the noise floor is practically zero. 
 
In regard to specs, well you do write it so that it sounds pretty heavy, but any decent off the shelf (OTS) unit with 8-16gig of ram and an i7 2500+ processor will handle that, and these days those systems are more or less pretty standard and not bespoke -  and further, decent OTS units also have "decent" power supplies and a non-fan GPU can be installed easily. If you want to spend $'s using these guys (or similar) then have at it, all I am saying is it is really not necessary. 
 
As a footnote, I have read tales of people getting PC's from companies such as this and STILL having a hell of a time with them, things not working, crashing constantly etc etc...all good m8, still love your work, just a friendly disagreement on this one

Firstly, off the shelf systems are ok,  but I guarantee we do it better.  Also, try calling Dell for Sonar support.  Please, try it.  Tell me your experience ;) Then, call my team -- and watch the difference.  
 
AS for "tales" -- we work to make every single customer happy, and it shows in our testimonials (thanks Craig!), and the customers we work with -- thousands of them. 
 
Self built is ok, but have you tested hundreds of components for hundreds of hours? Can you tell me what motherboard/RAM combo will have the lowest DPC latency numbers?  Can you tell me the highest track count you can get at 192k utilizing different audio interfaces, and different system configs?  That's what we do. That's why we're good at what we do.  That's why people  choose to work with us. 
 
If you can build your own, great -- but I've had plenty of customers call me for information on what we do, work to mimic it, then call me two months later, with a non-working system, or being unable to get what they need out of their system, out money, time, and work.  Want to get it done fast, and right the first time? Cool, call my team. Don't care to? That's fine. We work with plenty of great people who enjoy what we do. 
 
Thanks! 
 

Hey guy, no need to take it personally...it's all good

I'm not taking it personally, I assure you ;) It most certainly all "is good" :) 

I know Brian, he doesn't take it personally - guaranteed. He's just had to dodge too many Mac people telling him PCs are no good for music, and PC owners who say SONAR sucks because it has zillions of dropouts and can run only 3 tracks of audio   And yes, they really do work their butt off. When I bought my machine they asked what programs I ran, and installed and tested every one on the machine to make sure they would work together. They they deleted all traces of the programs so when I installed, there wouldn't be anything left festering in the registry. Companies like PC Audio Labs, Studio Cat, ADK, etc. aren't just companies...they're on a mission to save the world from bad Windows experiences. Most people aren't as technically savvy as many of the people on these forums...you know who they are, they're the ones who say "Yeah, I'm getting 100 tracks and it never crashes." 
 
It's a good thing Brian doesn't hang out much here, I think some of the people claiming SONAR crashes all the time would drive him up the wall. I can just see him yelling to the walls in a Sam Kinison voice -- "IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY!!! NO, YOU CAN'T USE INTERNAL SOUND CARDS FOR AUDIO!!!! JUST BECAUSE MICROSOFT SAYS "2 GB OF RAM" SYSTEM REQUIREMENT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO ANY USEFUL WORK WITH THE COMPUTER!!! NO IT'S NOT A GAMING MACHINE, IT'S A MULTITRACK RECORDER!!!!!!!"

hahahaha fair enough Craig!