• SONAR
  • Slow bounce, fast bounce ... (p.12)
2015/12/05 13:18:16
Beepster
Also look up the Nyquist theorum that details the PRECISE nature of how physical sounds can be turned into precise digital information (1's and 0's) and then compare that to how analog methods of recording (such as tape or wax/vinyl) work.
 
When we do math we do this...
 
2 + 2 = 4
 
We don't do this...
 
2(x) + 2 = 4
 
By refusing to eliminate (or at least find the value of) "x" in your equation you completely spoil your results.
2015/12/05 13:37:47
Grumbleweed_
As a side-effect of this thread I'm downloading Kontakt 5..... I hope you guys are happy you've caused me such expense

Grum
2015/12/05 16:04:35
kevinwal
As I recall from a comment Noel (maybe?) made, instruments have the option to process fast and real time bounces differently. And after reading all of the verbiage in this thread, I can't see how Sonar can be an issue here. If it was the bounce engine itself, you should be able to duplicate the issue with any vsti.
 
If that is the case, the OP should have no trouble creating a sample project demonstrating the issue along with a recipe to reproduce, and submit it to Cakewalk as part of a formal bug report. I assure you, any developer would be happy to have such a repro project in hand for such a fundamental flaw. 
 
Oh crap. I just fell into the rathole.
2015/12/05 18:18:26
rabeach
why not just uncheck the "track fx" and "bus fx" boxes from the bounce window and see if the two tracks null.
2015/12/05 18:21:11
Anderton
williamcopper
Thanks for the info, shaking my head at CW ... putting preferences in yet another place ... never occurred to me that the little freeze button on the synth might have its own options. 

 
You can shake your head at Cakewalk all you want, but you would benefit much more by realizing that there are UI standards for both Windows and Mac. It doesn't matter whether you find those standards logical or not; even most beginning users are aware of these standards, so Cakewalk follows them. That way users can have a more consistent experience as they work with various programs from various manufacturers.
 
Right-click context-sensitive menus are NOT preferences in the sense of a Preference page that deals with global aspects of the program. Context-sensitive means just that. I've learned a lot by right-clicking on things and seeing what was available. Some buttons, like Record and Smart Grid, open up the global Preferences page that relates to those parameters so you can change global characteristics in the context of those parameters rapidly, without having to go Edit > Preferences and then look for the page with the parameters you need. Other right-clicks, like the Freeze and Toolbar buttons, the Pro Channel, tracks in the Track view, metering, etc., are more specific in their context.
 
This is all extremely basic stuff of which you seem to be unaware - no wonder you're having so many problems. That's okay, you've made it clear you just want to play music and not get bogged down in technical details; I understand that desire. However, there are certain unavoidable dues you need to pay if you want to use a DAW. One is learning the standards of the platform itself, whether Mac or Windows. Don't blame Cakewalk for following them; blame yourself for not knowing them.
 
2015/12/05 19:32:33
John
Grumbleweed_
As a side-effect of this thread I'm downloading Kontakt 5..... I hope you guys are happy you've caused me such expense

Grum

Actually you made a great decision. I believe Kontakt is without a doubt the best sampler around. 
2015/12/05 19:41:24
Anderton
John
Grumbleweed_
As a side-effect of this thread I'm downloading Kontakt 5..... I hope you guys are happy you've caused me such expense

Grum

Actually you made a great decision. I believe Kontakt is without a doubt the best sampler around. 



I agree Kontakt is phenomenal, and there's a ton of great content available.
2015/12/06 04:38:28
Grumbleweed_
I wasn't too happy when the Kontakt installer download failed with about 1 gig to go (and wouldn't restart) but the second attempt worked. Thank heaven for unlimited Internet. Can't wait to have a play (but I have to as Sunday is housework day in the Grumbleweed mansion ).

Grum.
2015/12/06 07:21:33
pwalpwal
Grumbleweed_
I wasn't too happy when the Kontakt installer download failed with about 1 gig to go (and wouldn't restart) but the second attempt worked. Thank heaven for unlimited Internet. Can't wait to have a play (but I have to as Sunday is housework day in the Grumbleweed mansion ).

Grum.

you may try running the installers while you tidy, there's quite a chunk of stuff to install! enjoy :-)
2015/12/07 17:00:52
williamcopper
All in all, are we agreed that there are two bugs with rendering midi?     1) somehow the render engine stores up any tail for the selected area rendered, and plops it into the next render (unless other play actions happen between) and 2) the render uses the target track routing, even though the target track is NOT selected and is NOT part of the intended render, to affect the result of the render.   
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