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  • Could Some Kind Soul Here PLEASE Help Me! (p.6)
2018/05/26 18:43:48
Johnbee58
msmcleod
 
Johnbee58 - post more of your songs here, hopefully if enough people keep saying how good you sound you'll start believing it!
 
M.




 
Sorry.  No way.    If you want to hear what I'm up to you can check out my music sites, but I don't need or want opinions either way.
https://johnbowen.bandcamp.com/
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1058168
 
Thanks to all here who managed to respect my wishes for no review and still managed to give me great advise.
JB
2018/05/26 19:24:15
stxx
Without sounding harsh... the track has zero production and no depth.   The tracks themselves are clean and no amount of money will matter as you technically  have what you need to make a fine sounding track sonically.   COMPRESSION, Reverb, saturation, delay, imaging (of did I say COMPRESSION!) can all be added to even the simplest of  tracks / songs to make them grab the listener and their emotions.
2018/05/26 20:46:21
Johnbee58
stxx
Without sounding harsh... the track has zero production and no depth.   The tracks themselves are clean and no amount of money will matter as you technically  have what you need to make a fine sounding track sonically.   COMPRESSION, Reverb, saturation, delay, imaging (of did I say COMPRESSION!) can all be added to even the simplest of  tracks / songs to make them grab the listener and their emotions.


I'm going to assume when you say "track" you mean the vocal track and not the song.  Correct?  Please clarify.  Because the vocal track already does have reverb and delay.
2018/05/26 22:36:32
tlw
I may be wrong, but it sounds to me like much of the melody is in the region where the voice goes from “normal” into falsetto. And whatever the cause, it’s not so much straining to reach the notes as introducing a nasal quality that comes and goes which I think might be what’s sounding “harsh”.

I don’t think the problem is the technical recording quality, though at times the loudest transients do sound like they might have been recorded a bit “hot” and driving the pre-amp a bit. Or too close to the mic.

It might be worth trying re-recording the vocal, only singing quieter, more gently and with more “breath” in the voice, make the vocal more “conversational” and reflective if you see what I mean - text is a poor medium for describing tone....

Then applying some compression and equing out objectionable frequencies.
2018/05/26 23:20:55
stratman70
Well since you scolded me twice I must reply. I was trying to help J. I only added the final line because, I figured (and correctly I might add) that you would not see this how it was intended.
 
I was NOT reviewing the song, I was simply stating that reaching for notes that may be out of your range would ALSO play a part in how it sounds "sonically". 
 
Won't bother you again, just had to state my opinion. Wrong or right, that was what I meant
2018/05/26 23:38:10
celopadua
To be completely honest, you have a very unique voice. This can be both an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time.

More traditional voices are easier to mix because many of the effects are made to suit their processing needs. But it also means it gets quite repetitive.

Your voice doesn't sound strained or forced to me.
The tricky thing with unconventional voices is finding the perfect processing chain. I'd say start off with something along the lines of Pink Floyd's 'echoes' and start playing with the effects. It will surely be time consuming, but it will be worth it in the long run. The biggest part of being a singer is finding out your internal identity, and this is really difficult to do. Exploring is king, my friend!

In terms of plug-ins, I'd recommend iZotope's Nectar 2 for FX's and Melodyne for harmonizing (or Soundtoy's Little AlterBoy for quicker results).

Have a listen to these tracks, I think they might help:
https://youtu.be/YVpfGQ3TvPA
https://youtu.be/ghb6eDopW8I
2018/05/27 00:10:14
Johnbee58
stratman70
Well since you scolded me twice I must reply. I was trying to help J. I only added the final line because, I figured (and correctly I might add) that you would not see this how it was intended.
 
I was NOT reviewing the song, I was simply stating that reaching for notes that may be out of your range would ALSO play a part in how it sounds "sonically". 
 
Won't bother you again, just had to state my opinion. Wrong or right, that was what I meant


I'm sorry, strat.  I was thinking I may have been a bit hard on you.  I'm giving Melodyne a try but I'm not optimistic it's going to do much good.  I find with that that it begins to sound "overcorrected" at spots.  I might take your advise and re key it, but I need a break from it.  This project is starting to mentally affect me.
 

2018/05/27 00:25:34
stratman70
It's all good John.. I don't much like Melodyne either and I have the editor version which is a bit more powerful. 
It's good song and I understand wanting a certain key. 
I wish I could offer better advice. All I can offer I guess is the song is worth pretty much whatever you need to do to get it where you want it......
Good Luck man......
2018/05/27 02:19:54
Johnbee58
stratman70
It's all good John.. I don't much like Melodyne either and I have the editor version which is a bit more powerful. 
It's good song and I understand wanting a certain key. 
I wish I could offer better advice. All I can offer I guess is the song is worth pretty much whatever you need to do to get it where you want it......
Good Luck man......


Actually, it's not that I don't like Melodyne.  I think it's a pretty amazing product, but I spent two hours today trying to tune this track and it doesn't work as easy as they lead you to believe.  Some note blobs tend to stick together and I know there's a splitting tool but that doesn't always work real good, so it really came down to a compromise between fine tuning some of the worst off notes while messing up some of the ones that were closer before I started messing around with them, if that makes sense.
 

2018/05/27 03:15:58
stratman70
I don't hate it either. I just never had good results with it. My fault I am sure, but that doesn't change the outcome.   
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