• SONAR
  • Windows 10: Tried it and reverted to 7...
2015/11/23 19:07:31
zblip2@gmail.com
Hi
Just to tell you that on my rig, windows 10 exhibited strange behavior and visually, it wasn't as nice as in Win7. Some plugins were set in a 8 bit looking frame. They wouldn't dock and when I hid them (clicking on the "-" in the corner), they plain dissapeared and I could not find them any more... Something calld "Teleport" was involved in running the plugins and it crashed often. Went back to Win7 and everything looks marvelous and things are more stable.
2015/11/23 19:43:26
tenfoot
There are a still a few flakey behaviours in Win 10. It's a shame as it is a great operating system - just needs a couple more updates I think.
 
If Teleport was involved you were running 32bit plugins.You will have a lot more success without them, definitely in Windows 10 but also Windows 7 64bit.
2015/11/23 20:41:54
MondoArt
When I moved to a version of Sonar that was 64-bit (about 3 years ago, I think) I had lots of trouble with my 32-bit plug-ins, even using BitBridge or whatever it was called.  Since then, I've ditched all the 32-bit plug-ins and never looked back.  Although, the old free Izotope Vinyl plug-in was pretty cool, and they never made a free 64-bit version AKAIK.  Just saying, 32 and 64 don't play well together, it may not be Windows 10.
2015/11/23 21:50:13
SilkTone
What I hate about Windows 10 compared to Windows 7 is the flat theme. Personal taste aside, there is an actual problem in that for instance on a 40" 4K monitor where you have many non-maximized windows open at the same time, everything just blends together and you can't easily tell where one window title/border ends and another starts.
 
Whoever designed the flat theme had no clue about UI design and what important role depth cues play in recognizing objects, throwing out 20+ years of UI refinement out the window. It has zero to do with skeuomorphism, and everything to do with using the powerful ability of our brain to identify objects based on depth cues.
 
Note I'm talking about non-Sonar related work. Fortunately Sonar still has all of its depth cues in place (minus the title bar and border), so it is still a pleasure to use. Please never consider flat as the way to go in Sonar.
 
Other than that, Windows 10 has been working well for me.
2015/11/23 22:48:29
clintmartin
I went back to 7 too. I kept having the problem Sonarplt.exe quit working. Works great on 7.
2015/11/24 04:07:40
John T
SilkTone
Whoever designed the flat theme had no clue about UI design and what important role depth cues play in recognizing objects, throwing out 20+ years of UI refinement out the window. It has zero to do with skeuomorphism, and everything to do with using the powerful ability of our brain to identify objects based on depth cues.




Agree. I like the basic Windows 10 design, but there are some really dumb omissions in there. No distinction between menu bar and title bar is one, no distinction between the window with the focus and the other windows is another one.
 
This is especially strange when you consider that both those things were completely nailed in Win95 20 years ago, and have been consistent design elements since.
 
I think you could totally have the cleanness without the flatness; indeed, that's what OSX currently has.
2015/11/24 04:26:21
KPerry
SilkTone
What I hate about Windows 10 compared to Windows 7 is the flat theme. Personal taste aside, there is an actual problem in that for instance on a 40" 4K monitor where you have many non-maximized windows open at the same time, everything just blends together and you can't easily tell where one window title/border ends and another starts.
 
Whoever designed the flat theme had no clue about UI design and what important role depth cues play in recognizing objects, throwing out 20+ years of UI refinement out the window. It has zero to do with skeuomorphism, and everything to do with using the powerful ability of our brain to identify objects based on depth cues.
 
Note I'm talking about non-Sonar related work. Fortunately Sonar still has all of its depth cues in place (minus the title bar and border), so it is still a pleasure to use. Please never consider flat as the way to go in Sonar.
 
Other than that, Windows 10 has been working well for me.


 
Hell yeah - flat GUIs are so ugly and regressive in terms of usability, but sadly so many developers (including DAW manufacturers - Ableton, anyone? - and plug-in manufacturers) think it's a good thing...
2015/11/24 04:29:03
Richard Cranium
John T
 
Agree. I like the basic Windows 10 design, but there are some really dumb omissions in there. No distinction between menu bar and title bar is one, no distinction between the window with the focus and the other windows is another one.
 
This is especially strange when you consider that both those things were completely nailed in Win95 20 years ago, and have been consistent design elements since.
 
I think you could totally have the cleanness without the flatness; indeed, that's what OSX currently has.




That is easily fixed, it was something I hated, the solution was easy, add a bit of color, it does wonders, very subtle, but worked for me.
2015/11/24 09:49:29
dcumpian
SilkTone
What I hate about Windows 10 compared to Windows 7 is the flat theme. Personal taste aside, there is an actual problem in that for instance on a 40" 4K monitor where you have many non-maximized windows open at the same time, everything just blends together and you can't easily tell where one window title/border ends and another starts.
 
Whoever designed the flat theme had no clue about UI design and what important role depth cues play in recognizing objects, throwing out 20+ years of UI refinement out the window. It has zero to do with skeuomorphism, and everything to do with using the powerful ability of our brain to identify objects based on depth cues.



What? No more shadows?!?! FFS, that was stupid.
 
Regards,
Dan
2015/11/24 09:59:25
John
In the update title bars will have color. Because I am in the preview program I get the updates early. If you do have the latest update and still have no color in your title bars you will want to turn it on. I'm on 1511 build 10586.11
 

The second one down is the one for titles. 
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