Edit November 28 2015 regarding Mirillis sale: Well that was a spot of luck (a bit of a rarity in my world but I guess this was meant to be). This whole time I had been working with the demo version of Mirillis Action! to make absolutely sure it would do what I wanted to. I figured out that it would in the past couple days and just went to make it final. Lo and behold they JUST put it on sale. Normal price is $30 USD and they dropped it to $20 USD. Wicked! So my slothful, paranoid, OCD behavior saved me a few bucks.
 
The ONLY real problem the program exhibits seems to be that my Sonar level meters show up gray in the vids (instead of bright green). You can still totally see the meters pumping away but they just show up gray. This does not seem to be the case when recording other audio programs so it could just be the way Sonar renders the color of the meters. Still weird but not a huge deal for me.
 
I've been able to get my audio stuff going, the vid quality is good and it's not raping my system resources (Action! is meant for recording intense game stuff and supposedly has the least system resource consumption of all the screen recorders which I why I chose it for recording my audio stuff).
 
So thought I'd update with that for those who have been watching/interested in the program.
 
Edit: Phase one of my kernoodling (getting Sonar through Voicemeeter to record into Action!) can be found in this post... http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3321297
 
 
Alright... not really "ouch" but I've got the programs installed and ready to be routed. I'm sure I can bumble through it all but if anyone is using these products in tandem to do live screen recordings of Sonar and have some insights to share that would be great.
 
Right now Voicemeeter is lookin' like the most complex hurdle in the equation (but only because I already understand Sonar more or less).
 
As always just tapping the braintrust here whom always point me in the right direction. Of course any knowledge gleaned, absorbed, accumulated, figured out and otherwise crammed into my feeble noodle will get shared with others seeking help.
 
I'll be poking at it over the next couple days.
 
Gonna have to figure out some simple vid editing too for post prod (combo of webcam, screencaps/screenrecordings and audio). Have a bunch of possible freebie editors to try out but really it looks like even something as simple as Windows Movie Maker can cover my initial needs.
 
Cheers, all and thanks in advance.

Wow... this is some extremely confusing and complicated crud.
 
Freaking ASIO, man. Or more accurately... freaking MS making ASIO necessary in the first place (due to crummy audio support for so long).
 
Managed to get Sonar to output to Voicemeeter (by having to TOTALLY disable my 18i6 in Prefs and choose Voicemeeter as my ins/outs... which I did not want to do and is a pain in Sonar because each input/output needs to be checked/unchecked one by one instead of select Shift Click or something simple)... and Voicemeeter seems to be spitting back into the 18i6 so I can hear my project (but that started out as total garbled nonsense because the Windows Sounds mute icon was muted... but still making noise... but not the right noise... WTF?).
 
Got seemingly proper sound now. Can't get Mirillis to record Sonar sound no matter what I do.
 
Still diggin'.

Voicemeeter gave me a lot of grief when I have ever tried to use it and I found that Saffires have built-in loopback, which put me in heaven. The Scarletts do not have this, but Focusrite says you can achieve the same loopback using the S/PDIF ports. That option may be the least painful to pursue, just be sure to set up your mix so that you do not cause a feedback loop.
 
For screen capture, you may want to do video only in the capture software, and all audio in SONAR. With new routing options the loopback may be totally unnecessary, but you would need a transient at both the beginning and end to stretch/shrink audio between. I have yet to find a free screen capture that doesn't require this to some extent, but admittedly do not do this often.
 
I also have never edited video in SONAR, but think you can do any stretching required of this sort there. Someone who has done so could easily confirm or not. With enough lead in/out on the ends you could align audio to video then lop the tails off in Windows Movie Maker if needed. SONAR may be able to do this as well.
 
The Adobe CS3 (Premiere Pro) mentioned a while ago would be able to do the video tasks/sync audio, but that is not intuitive to just pick up, so I would exhaust any and all SONAR/Windows Movie Maker options first.

Okay... working (finally) but not as well as I would like. Not going to explain what I did yet because I barely understand it myself.
 
Voicemeeter seems to... well not really be hardcore ASIO at all and I had to COMPLETELY f*ck up my normal settings (system sound, Sonar and the like) to make any of this work. It's all reminding me very much of an ASIO4ALL type set up and garnering the same level of skeevy quality (audio glitches when pressed too hard).
 
I haven't even introduced a live mic yet but at least I'm getting Sonar audio to record into Mirillis Action via Voicemeeter.
 
Kind of wondering how the heck people whip off Sonar vids with such seeming ease but maybe they've got something very different going on or I'm just dumb as a stump (likely the latter... lol).
 
Still looking for any insights... even if they don't involve Action or Voicemeeter. I'll be giving this another whack tomorrow (and every day until I bloody well understand EXACTLY WTF is going on with all this).
 
Cheers.
 
PS: and yes I know I am currenty talking to myself. DON'T JUDGE!!!
 
;-)

mettelus
Voicemeeter gave me a lot of grief when I have ever tried to use it and I found that Saffires have built-in loopback, which put me in heaven. The Scarletts do not have this, but Focusrite says you can achieve the same loopback using the S/PDIF ports. That option may be the least painful to pursue, just be sure to set up your mix so that you do not cause a feedback loop.
 
For screen capture, you may want to do video only in the capture software, and all audio in SONAR. With new routing options the loopback may be totally unnecessary, but you would need a transient at both the beginning and end to stretch/shrink audio between. I have yet to find a free screen capture that doesn't require this to some extent, but admittedly do not do this often.
 
I also have never edited video in SONAR, but think you can do any stretching required of this sort there. Someone who has done so could easily confirm or not. With enough lead in/out on the ends you could align audio to video then lop the tails off in Windows Movie Maker if needed. SONAR may be able to do this as well.
 
The Adobe CS3 (Premiere Pro) mentioned a while ago would be able to do the video tasks/sync audio, but that is not intuitive to just pick up, so I would exhaust any and all SONAR/Windows Movie Maker options first.

Heh... guess I wasn't talking to myself after all (you posted as I was typing). Thanks... I will definitely be absorbing all this. I'm a little brainfried at the moment but you usually give me good shiz to explore.
 
Cheers.

Okay... so from that link...
 
"Does the Scarlett 18i6 have "loopback"?No, the 18i6 doesn't have the loopback function due to a limitation of DSP. However there is a workaround for this, using the SPDIF in/out. If you loop a cable from the SPDIF output to the SPDIF input on the 18i6 you can achieve similar functionality as with loopback and with no degradation to the signal since it remains a digital signal."
 
 
So this is the thing I'm really finding problematic. In all these programs I am not getting my usual i/o options from the Scarlett. It's all some kind of bulk in and out instead of being able to tap the specific ports. If I could snag specific outputs (and inputs) man would that be a lot easier. Doesn't help having the VRM Box drivers on there screwing me up (they look very similar to the Scarlett options in the audio options lists).
 
Anyway... as I said quite confusing but I think I'm getting it.
 
Thanks.
 
 

Beep,
 
Feel free to PM me. But let me give the low-down on how I've done Sonar Vids.
 
Now that we have the new routing option so we can record the Master Outs on a track, this should be even easier!
 
1. I use Sonar and my RME UCX interface in their normal configuration.
2. I loopback the outputs from Sonar on the RME interface so I can record them. The RME lets me do this virtually, but you could do it with cables if you had 2 available inputs on your interface. 
3. I use Microsoft's Expression tool to record the videos. I can choose inputs from the RME or just use the Mic on my monitor. The only real purpose for this is that I am going to capture the sound to align what I capture in Sonar.
4. In sonar, I capture the outputs from the mains and the input from my Microphone.
5. I record the video and import it into Sonar. It comes in with terrible sounding audio recorded from the monitor. I usually record this using a separate tool: RME DigiCheck. This allows me to play, stop, rewind, play Sonar while still capturing the audio smoothly.
** Now that Sonar allows you to record outputs from buses, you can do that. It's important to record in real time what you are doing so the watcher of the video can tell when you change patches or VST settings and so on. The problem with recording in the same project your are demo-ing is that you will not be able to stop and backup the project without interrupting the recording.
6. I import the tracks I recorded with DigiCheck into the Sonar Project.
 
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HTH. I know it's kinda complicated.
 
If I didn't have DigiCheck, I'm not sure exactly how I'd do it... Maybe try recording the loopback from the mains and the spoken word in another DAW like Audacity while recording the vid.
 

Thanks, man. I'll take a swipe at some of that hardwire routing as well. I'm trying to keep it internal mostly because of that lack of outputs on the 18i6 (I don't want to have to constantly screw with my mains) but I might try a loopback with the SPDIF. The SPDIF is currently feeding my VRM Box but I don't really need that hooked up for the stuff I want to do. Might clear up the vague Focurite driver names appearing in the target programs as well.
 
I'm also trying figure out whether maybe there is something in MixControl I can futz with to help get a better routing scheme.
 
Hopefully when I come out the other side of this I'll have a bunch of different ways to make it all happen.
 
As far as voiceover stuff... I'd like do it in the box too but am planning to probably just record my voice into my laptop using Audacity or Reaper then just copying it over to the DAW and syncing things up to the vid there. Lulz.

Totally loop back the spidf. That's a great idea.
 
Looks like you have a headphones out and then monitor outs. Maybe you could use headphones and loopback the monitor outs?
 
I record in DigiCheck (equivalent to Audacity for your purposes) and also in the video capture (monitor mic). So the Video imports with audio. Then I just nudge the high quality audio into position with the audio recorded with the video.

BeepsterVoicemeeter seems to... well not really be hardcore ASIO at all and I had to COMPLETELY f*ck up my normal settings (system sound, Sonar and the like) to make any of this work.

 
Voicemeeter can manage an ASIO driver for its main stream (device selected as output A1) and provides virtual ASIO drivers to connect one or several DAW applications. Additional I/O will help to connect USB MIC, VOIP or any Recorder application. Since Voicemeeter is made to replace Windows Mixer, it's normal to have to tweak the Windows Sound Configuration, for example it's recommended to set Voicemeeter Virtual Input as Default Playback Device...
 
to know everything on Voicemeeter: Different User Manual are available on our web page: example:

 
Note that Voicemeeter now includes VBAN protocol to send/receive audio to/from any computers of a local network. this offers the possibility to use a computer as stage box for example, or make multi-diffusion to multiple VBAN receptor apps... 
 
Thanks for reading