Hi All,
   I have, what appears to me, a confusing issue with regard to input levels to my audio tracks. When I record direct input from a guitar I have to ensure that input gain is low to provide an input level of about half way on the meter. Even with that level I get a great strong output when the track is played back. Contrast this with the microphone. I have a Shure SM57 feeding into my audio interface but I have to have the input gain fairly high to ensure the input meters are about halfway. When I play back the track I have the audio of good quality but so low that I have to bump up the output gain of the track by a plugin to allow it to compete with the other tracks. I appreciate the different input levels provided be both these devices.
 
What I really need to know is this. Is this the normal characteristic of microphone inputs to Sonar. The fact that I can boost the output gain of the track is just great for me and really makes it a non issue, but I wonder if others see it differently.
 
Jonel

It is certainly normal for a low output, dynamic mic like the SM58
 
I usually have to bump mine up to almost max to het a good signal.
 
But you should be aware that higher you boost the gain, you are introducing more of the noise floor into your recordings
 
You need to find a happy balance between a good signal and minimum noise

Thanks, that's a relief. I have invested in several microphones, including condensers with their need for 48V but they all have similar requirements for the input gain. If that's the norm then I'm OK with that. I've been using the Frontier limiter to get good output results from the track and that's good enough for me. It's just that thought it might be my configuration. I've changed everything: cabling, mics, audio interface.
 
Jonel

You shouldn't need quite as much gain with a condenser but as always, if you've got a good signal then you're golden
 
Edit: this assumes you're using balanced cables throughout

Which audio I/O are you using to record your vocals?
 
 

For low output dynamic mics, get a Fethead or Cloudlifter and your problems will be over.
 
https://www.tritonaudio.com/fethead.html
 
https://www.cloudmicrophones.com/cloudlifter-cl-1
 

I was initially using a Novation NIO 2|4 but the changed this to Roland Tri-Capture and then an M-Audio Interface. All with balanced I/O. In fact the only thing that I realised was not changed WAS the balanced cable input but this was finally changed and the result was still the same.
So, as long as I can amplify the output then I am happy. I would be more concerned if this amplification of the output was unnecessary - its just that I have not come across anyone mentioning the need.
 
Jonel
 
 

jonel
...I have a Shure SM57 feeding into my audio interface but I have to have the input gain fairly high to ensure the input meters are about halfway. When I play back the track I have the audio of good quality but so low that I have to bump up the output gain of the track by a plugin to allow it to compete with the other tracks...

 
It probably seems a bit surprising to a lot of people that the world's most popular mics (i.e. the SM57 & SM58) have such a low output. A Cloudlifter certainly helps, although the difference it makes is subtle and not dramatic.

The output from a guitar pickup will be higher - it can be many, many times higher - than a microphone's. In the extreme, say comparing a passive ribbon to a high-output humbucker, the difference might be 60-80 dB (guessing those numbers off the top o' my head). An SM58 has a much hotter signal than a ribbon, but it's still a tenth of a typical guitar pickup's output.
 
As proposed above, one solution is to add an inexpensive microphone preamp to your setup. This can have added benefits, as some preamps also offer EQ and compression, making the process easier when you are both vocalist and engineer.

bitflipper
 
As proposed above, one solution is to add an inexpensive microphone preamp to your setup. This can have added benefits, as some preamps also offer EQ and compression, making the process easier when you are both vocalist and engineer.

+1
 
There are a few good ones for less than $300