• SONAR
  • [FIXED] - Slow track cloning and template inserting
2015/10/13 02:24:30
Adq
Hello!
When I clone tracks there is a trouble with how slow it works.
For example, to measure the time I did the next thing.
Empty project, 1 audio track with 10 instances of "BREVERB Sonar", default preset.
Cloning this one track takes 40-45 seconds.
My CPU is old Q6600, one core is constantly loaded through this time of cloning.
Today I've found that if I disable "Clone Properties" checkmark, tracks are cloned instantly.
But if I save this track as template, and insert this template, it takes much time again, and there is no settings to speed it up.
Please write, what is your experience with cloning and templates inserting speed?
 
2015/10/13 02:31:39
KPerry
I too have noticed slow template insertion (and I have a Q6600 like you too): not sure when this started happening as I haven't been using templates recently.
2015/10/13 02:38:05
Adq
Could you roughly measure some time intervals of it?
And do you have that huge difference when cloning with and without "Clone Properties" checkmark?
2015/10/13 09:09:13
Bristol_Jonesey
10 instances of Breverb?
 
How quick is it if you remove Breverb altogether?
2015/10/13 09:23:30
Doktor Avalanche
Adq
Empty project, 1 audio track with 10 instances of "BREVERB Sonar", default preset.

 
a) What happens if you do this with a brand new project, with no template?
b) What happens if you use 10 instances of another plugin?
c) What happens when you don't use any plugins?
d) What version of Sonar? 64 or 32 bit?
 
Ta.
2015/10/13 13:38:32
Adq
Doktor Avalanche
a) What happens if you do this with a brand new project, with no template?
b) What happens if you use 10 instances of another plugin?
c) What happens when you don't use any plugins?
d) What version of Sonar? 64 or 32 bit?

a) I use new project with blank template. As I know you can't do new project without template :-)
b) Time vary. I tried 10 Channel Tools now, it is 13 seconds.
c) 2 seconds.
d) Sonar Platinum Ipswich Update 1 64 bit
 
Please, somebody, tell me what do you see?
2015/10/13 16:14:08
Bristol_Jonesey
10 instances of Channel Tools , saved as "basic" template
 
Template opens as new project inside 2 seconds
 
Track clones in less than 2 seconds
 
10 clones (100 plugins) created inside 10 seconds
 
 
This is on my underpowered laptop (i5, 6Gb) running Win 10 64 bit & 64 bit Sonar
2015/10/13 18:59:54
Adq
Thank you very much!
I'm sorry for being unclear, but I mean track templates, not project templates.
It seems that this time interval depends on number of installed plug-ins.
But there is some bug anyway.
If you try to make 10 clones (100 plugins) with "Clone Properties" switched off, it will be done instantly, and not 10 seconds.
 
 
2015/10/13 23:23:12
Doktor Avalanche
Blank template = no template I believe. There is no file for it.
2015/10/13 23:39:14
Doktor Avalanche
It may just take longer to do. I suspect track templates will need to parse a properties XML file or something to give the cloned tracks it's properties. With properties off then no overhead. Also a new instance of a plugin takes time to initiate. Kontakt users know this only too well when they open a new Sonar project even with just a single instance of the plugin. So I suspect this is by design. I bet opening a project with 100 empty tracks and 100 plugins is gonna take a lot longer than a project with just 100 empty tracks.
 
A better test maybe is to compare similar functionality with another DAW.
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