• SONAR
  • As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off? (p.12)
2015/11/22 08:43:05
Royal Yaksman
I'd really love to see what supposedly, bullet proof software, some of these past software devs (who do so much finger pointing) used to work on?
 
If anyone feels like they're not getting their money's worth, it's quite simple. Sit out from upgrading for a year. That turns a $150 per year upgrade into a $75 per year upgrade. Now before anyone chimes in with, "Support the company so they can deliver more stability and better features, etc." Whilst it is true of course companies need money. But if more money equalled more quality, stability and features, in the audio application world? Well Ableton would be the most stable, the most enviable, and the clear cut features leading, DAW of all DAWs.
 
It's not though. None are, really. Just look at all the VS threads on the net! That will tell you all you need to know about that argument.
 
Feel like a once a year upgrade is more marketing, than value?... Sit out a cycle! Cake's membership is one that doesn't penalise you for doing so. It's not like Steinberg, where if you sat out a few releases, you could find yourself paying the same to upgrade as the full program might cost under the right sale circumstances.
 
When you get a Cake survey, tell them why you didn't immediately upgrade.
 
That will do more than whining to fellow users on a user forum.
 
A lot of the complaints in regards to release quality are very generalised. Sure if you are having a problem, log it. Coming on here and saying over and over that it's bad, might seem all well and good. But if you were walking past a fire, whilst fire fighters were in the process of putting that fire out. Would you stop and stand there pointing and saying, "There's a fire! There's a fire! There's a fire!..."
 
If you possess deep task specific (and this means program and protocol specific) knowledge of just exactly how Cake could be doing something better? Give them a call and send them your resume! Otherwise, I am reminded of something a previous boss of mine once said:
"Don't just raise your hand and tell us that something is f***ed. If you think something is f***ed? Also tell us exactly how you think we can un-f*** it!"
 
^^^Funnily enough, this does not mean stating a general, "They should make it more betterer..."
 
I would write some more but I'm off to a department store, that I bought a T-Shirt from. I'm going to stand at their counter and tell them, "You guys should make better quality shirts," over and over and over, until they do...
 
2015/11/22 09:09:52
drjee
Anderton
 
ampfixer
IN my perfect scenario there would be no new features until all the existing features are bulletproof and operate exactly as described in the docs. That would be bliss but I don't think it will ever happen.



Anderton
The best anyone can hope for is a continuing flow of fixes, combined with enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy.



Doktor AvalancheHowever ultimately ^^ what you are saying ^^ means we have to accept old bugs will rarely or never get fixed, as there will be hardly any time to do so if new features keep pouring out...

 
OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. 
  • "A continuing flow of fixes" DOES NOT exclude fixing old or long-standing bugs.
  •  Saying "enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy" DOES NOT equate to "new features keep pouring out."
 
And your saying "If there is no developer available then a job should be advertised" is clueless, too. Cakewalk has advertised for developers on the freaking home page hero slider. They still are advertising for developers. In fact there are two openings right now
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Careers
https://www.cakewalk.com/Careers/Gigs
 
Since it is of such vital importance that you always get the last word, you'll be happy to know I have to take a break from this forum...so I will have no response to whatever you post next. I can handle negativity, even non-constructive criticism from people I respect, but repeating the same thing over and over and over - as if you have some magical power where saying your negative mantras over and over and over again will conjure up developers and resources - is not even worth the time to read.
 
I don't particularly like writing this, but that's the truth as I see it. Sorry...

 
The truth as I see it is you should go find software that better fits your needs, and let the musicians who frequent this forum help each other get the most out of SONAR and make music. IMO both of those actions would have a much better chance of changing the world in a positive direction compared to what you're presently doing.
 
And if people think I'm being mean...I'm human, and can take only so much negativity. My presence here is all about my desire to provide solutions and help people accomplish what they want to accomplish. I bite my tongue a lot in this forum - A LOT - but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and let you put words in my mouth. If anyone has any questions for me about any of the tips or techniques I've presented, you can find me at my forum on Harmony Central.com. 
 
I apologize to all the wonderful people in this forum, but I've had enough and it's going to take me quite a bit of time to cool off.




really, with this kind of treatment of justified critique you are destroying trust in the future of this product. If you are not able to stand critique and learn from it, you are really digging the grave for Cake.
 
2015/11/22 09:15:31
pwalpwal
drjee
Anderton
 
ampfixer
IN my perfect scenario there would be no new features until all the existing features are bulletproof and operate exactly as described in the docs. That would be bliss but I don't think it will ever happen.



Anderton
The best anyone can hope for is a continuing flow of fixes, combined with enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy.



Doktor AvalancheHowever ultimately ^^ what you are saying ^^ means we have to accept old bugs will rarely or never get fixed, as there will be hardly any time to do so if new features keep pouring out...

 
OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. 
  • "A continuing flow of fixes" DOES NOT exclude fixing old or long-standing bugs.
  •  Saying "enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy" DOES NOT equate to "new features keep pouring out."
 
And your saying "If there is no developer available then a job should be advertised" is clueless, too. Cakewalk has advertised for developers on the freaking home page hero slider. They still are advertising for developers. In fact there are two openings right now
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Careers
https://www.cakewalk.com/Careers/Gigs
 
Since it is of such vital importance that you always get the last word, you'll be happy to know I have to take a break from this forum...so I will have no response to whatever you post next. I can handle negativity, even non-constructive criticism from people I respect, but repeating the same thing over and over and over - as if you have some magical power where saying your negative mantras over and over and over again will conjure up developers and resources - is not even worth the time to read.
 
I don't particularly like writing this, but that's the truth as I see it. Sorry...

 
The truth as I see it is you should go find software that better fits your needs, and let the musicians who frequent this forum help each other get the most out of SONAR and make music. IMO both of those actions would have a much better chance of changing the world in a positive direction compared to what you're presently doing.
 
And if people think I'm being mean...I'm human, and can take only so much negativity. My presence here is all about my desire to provide solutions and help people accomplish what they want to accomplish. I bite my tongue a lot in this forum - A LOT - but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and let you put words in my mouth. If anyone has any questions for me about any of the tips or techniques I've presented, you can find me at my forum on Harmony Central.com. 
 
I apologize to all the wonderful people in this forum, but I've had enough and it's going to take me quite a bit of time to cool off.




really, with this kind of treatment of justified critique you are destroying trust in the future of this product. If you are not able to stand critique and learn from it, you are really digging the grave for Cake.
 


you heartless monster! craig doesn't get enough sleep, have you seen the timings of his posts?
2015/11/22 09:28:22
John T
drjee
Anderton
 
MASSIVE BLOCK OF TEXT THAT I'LL NOT QUOTE AGAIN




really, with this kind of treatment of justified critique you are destroying trust in the future of this product. If you are not able to stand critique and learn from it, you are really digging the grave for Cake.
 




Nothing Craig has ever posted here has undermined my trust in either him or Cakewalk. And I'm pretty sure your silly assertion here wouldn't survive a show of hands on the question.
 
 
2015/11/22 09:31:06
John T
Royal Yaksman
I'd really love to see what supposedly, bullet proof software, some of these past software devs (who do so much finger pointing) used to work on?
 

I was thinking something similar. "I'm a dev, so I know what I'm talking about" only really adds up to anything if the track record is impressive. I think our back-seat coders should pony up some credentials.
2015/11/22 10:08:06
Doktor Avalanche
Royal Yaksman
I'd really love to see what supposedly, bullet proof software, some of these past software devs (who do so much finger pointing) used to work on?


John TI was thinking something similar. "I'm a dev, so I know what I'm talking about" only really adds up to anything if the track record is impressive. I think our back-seat coders should pony up some credentials.


I'm a dev however I'm not using that as collateral. I do not work on cakewalk software my business here is purely as a customer. Just see my original post.. which has predictably been blown up, twisted and blasted out of proportion... by design IMHO as the points being made here afterwards have little relevance around it, they seem to be more about the personalities and polarization, rather than a calm and sensible discussion around software.
2015/11/22 10:11:24
MarioD
OK back on topic, I pay up front and I am happy with this year's improvements.  As a hobbyist I am not a power user so the only real problem I have had this year was with the new start menu.  That was not a show stopper and it has been fixed thanks to my friends on this forum.
 
Bakers keep up the great work.
2015/11/22 10:12:24
John T
Doktor Avalanche
it's more about the personalities than a discussion around software.



That's definitely true, though I think not in the way you intend to mean.
2015/11/22 10:17:09
Doktor Avalanche
Doktor Avalanche
it's more about the personalities than a discussion around software.



John T
That's definitely true, though I think not in the way you intend to mean.


Well of course if you use half a quote it's not going to be meant as intended is it? (Admittedly I was editing the comment).

Doktor Avalanche
by design IMHO as the points being made here afterwards have little relevance around it, they seem to be more about the personalities and polarization, rather than a calm and sensible discussion around software.
2015/11/22 10:19:52
John T
The addition of that bit doesn't change my reply.
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