Please remember, this is about repetition of the same things over and over, not every complaint from users. It is the attitude as well.
To imply there can be no or few negative comments is disingenuous. It is always easy to poke holes in a comment, and that is part of the issue. You miss the general point being made as you have found a perceived weakness in another "point" that wasn't made, so that rules ANY comment from that source invalid.

... and all of the poo-slingers risk being banished to the kiddie table for Thanksgiving dinner...

bapu

coolbass

Doktor Avalanche

Doktor Avalanche
it's more about the personalities than a discussion around software.

John T
That's definitely true, though I think not in the way you intend to mean.

Well of course if you use half a quote it's not going to be meant as intended is it? (Admittedly I was editing the comment).

Doktor Avalanche
by design IMHO as the points being made here afterwards have little relevance around it, they seem to be more about the personalities and polarization, rather than a calm and sensible discussion around software.

 
Here we go again. Please Avalanche, does it ever stop?
 
 

Only when the server's storage is full I would presume.

I think the FSF is on another server anyway so you are safe Bapu ;)

On topic, I pay upfront, which best resembles how it used to be: pay an upgrade path, get fixes and new toys, and get on with your life. The only change is instead of waiting for the next yearly version, the fixes and goodies arrive sooner. Usually, the Producer/Platinum Sonar would be offered to similar level upgraders at around $129. Hopefully , this loyalty discount will continue.

mettelus
... and all of the poo-slingers risk being banished to the kiddie table for Thanksgiving dinner...

I always preferred that table actually ...

mettelus
... and all of the poo-slingers risk being banished to the kiddie table for Thanksgiving dinner...

lingyaiI always preferred that table actually ...

 
Doesn't wobble so much...
 

I'm a completely new DAW beginner user who has been interested in getting Sonar for quite a long time.
I've gotten used to paying for Adobe Creative Cloud via subscription for a few years now, so thanks to the subscription model from Cakewalk, it was easy and comfortable to get Sonar this way.
 
As a PC enthusiast I expected and planned to get Sonar Platinum (having seen the subscription price in dollars), but being in Japan means that for all types of transactions we are always made to pay about 20 bucks or more than the actual exchange rate, which really adds up! So, I went with Sonar professional for now (subscription), which is probably sensible for a beginner hobbyist like me. I bought it yesterday. I bought a Focusrite 2i4 a couple of weeks ago, and I need to get a midi controller keyboard soon.
 
At the moment I'm watching Sonar Explained (2015) video tutorial which is a great way to learn Sonar from scratch.
(I'm used to watching many video tutorials over the years with Lynda.com, so again this is ideal.)
 
So, yeah I'm 47 years old, and feel like a kid with my new DAW! I can't afford (or justify) some of the great synths out there like Rapture Pro, yet, but I'm learning the ropes first.
 
On a side note, I wonder if anyone can recommend some good synths or VSTs to replicate Gary Numan type synth sounds? I can't afford extras like Omnisphere, but I can't help but get shivers when I here the typical Gary Numan type synth sounds, atmospheric pads, etc.
 
Long story short, the subscription model is the reason why I'm now a Cakewalk Sonar customer.
 
(Oh, and watching Cakewalk videos on YouTube with Brandon Ryan, etc. have also kept me interested over the years.)
 
Thanks Cakewalk.

If the subscription provides more MONEY to Cakewalk so they can invest in their product, then it is a win-win.
If it doesn't then I would support Cakewalk going to another model.
 

Well.
 
I was going to just say - Better Off. But this thread has angered me. For the wrong reasons.
 
So firstly,
 
I am really liking the progress we have made through X1 till now, but I must admit, I am having more PC issues with SPLAT that I did with X3e, but I have also moved to Win10. Jamaica has caused me the most problems for some reason, with continual timing problems and crashes, making tracking difficult, and I am very much looking forward to Kingston!! So, I stick by that bit. Much better off. The features are worth the pain and I will get it sorted.
 
What's not so better off, is that with this one thread, we (I am part of this community after all) have successfully chased away one of the greatest gifts to this forum, Craig, and now trying to do same to the CTO.
 
I hardly ever get onto forums, but I know of no other forum that hosts such input from within, let alone at this level.
 
I've been coming here for years. The help has been fantastic. Craig has been an immense help. I got an album out thanks to the help I received here since X3 from you lot. But, time and time again, I switch off for months, because of the continual toxic outpourings from one person. There was initial help, years ago. But even back then, I thought the person actually worked for Cake. Wasn't long before I realised my mistake, and since then, many re-berths of this person, has changed nothing. Assisting with identifying problems, and continually chewing out the people behind the product, are two very different things. And then to the community in general. Negative, insulting, commanding, and now, success?? Last word ??  I doubt it. Craig will survive. , But, God forbid that we do lose people like Craig, and access to people like Noel, because this forum might as well fall by the wayside. It's one of the things that make this DAW SO good IMO.
 
My hat's off to the genuine people on this forum that attend so regularly and spend so much of their time assisting us with our recording. But, after all, that's all this is. A forum to share our interest, delights, problems, and discoveries, to assist the Cake community. It's not a place to force the company to bend to our will. And certainly not a place to grandstand yourself as the YODA off all things binary!!! 
 
Don't usually go into print with my thoughts, but finally had enough. Deal with the problem, bring back Craig if you can, and I will be back.

I love everything Cakewalk has done in the past year... it's an amazing gift, allows for more user input, easier spaced out learning... and except for wasting time reading perpetual garbage spewed from a select group of jerkball whiners, I'm a very happy camper