Doktor Avalanche
Platinum for me is an improvement. For me I thought the break off from Roland was a positive. Splat certainly started off with a bang and it's certainly better with Gibson.

Sure the monthly updates are better than X3 and before, sadly however the QA results seem to be about the same. I don't expect bakers to find every issue, QA is hard, the product is complex, it's impossible to find everything. Heck I did it as a job for several years in silicon valley, I should know, and I know part of the model has to be the customers end up being the beta testers, that's fine by me. It's a fact of life we all must deal with if we want good and cheap software. But I still do question the model of releasing unstable or buggy software with bug fixes at the same time.

Monthly is great if all we are is beta testers, and some people want to be, and that is fine by me. The situation we have now basically. But for the rest of us, we want to run on stable releases, and there needs to be another path for us to follow. If there was a situation where there were additional stability releases every quarter with a feature freeze, a true alternative path to follow, that would be a huge improvement. That could run in parallel or part of the normal cycle. Whatever...

To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. This is audio software we are talking about. Some of us just want to spend time recording without issue.

Of course the arguement would be you can simply roll back, this is true and is a good feature... However..

a) We are still put into the position of having to be beta testers whether we want to or not when we upgrade. That's a pita when all some of us want to do is record, and with paying customers is a big no no.

b) Rolling back may resolve an issue, but just leaves us with other different bugs to cope with. You takes yer choice.

So in summary yup it's better, but something seriously needs to be done to improve the current situation. Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.

You start with "Platinum is an improvement" but its all about short comings for most of the rest of the post. Plus at the end you offer a solution. Some of us don't see a need for any solution. We like what CW is doing.
 
Now I'm sure you will say I am for bugs. I want bugs and more bugs. That would be untrue. What it is is we recognize the need to have bug fixes and new features. We think the way CW is doing this is a good way. A balance between the two. Some of us want particular features included. What do we do about them?  Until you see the need for features such as much better notation or has been recently included inline track recording with the addition of patch points what do you propose for that kind of improvement? A slew of bugs fixes only? That will sell a lot of Sonar.
 
Also as an alternative to posting endlessly on every thread why not write up a white paper proposal laying out just how CW can do a better in fixing bugs and submitting it to CW. This would spare us from being assaulted by a never ending discourse.    

Lord Tim
 
In the old model we get an update a few times a year. We're never sure when it'll be. It usually has fixes and some new features. There's a big possibility there's new bugs introduced, as there is in all software. That gets fixed either with a hotfix if it's serious enough, or we waited until the next patch, whenever (if at all) that would be. Sometimes the product cycle would end before anything was fixed.

^^ Memory gets selective at times, but X2 is a good example of "then vs. now." With X3 "on the horizon" and of "unknown content," many of us were anxious during the interim between X2a and X3(a). For those of us that experienced this, the new model is completely opposite (in a very good way). Newly introduced bugs get fixed in pretty short order (even with the "monthly machine" running in the background), which is significantly better than the X2a "Nope, we are stopping here... that is all you get..." I personally am more attentive to fixes and workflow changes (or ideas) monthly, but also realize CW must cater to a larger audience than just me.
 
It is sometimes comical to watch people's expectations shift without an "anchor to reality (or the past)." I still keep an old Tascam 424 under my desk in its original box so that in my moments of frustration I can think "Oooh... I could go back to that.... NOT!"

Doktor Avalanche
Just read my first post on this thread. So far people have been taking little bits out of it, paraphrasing and making comments that really were not out of my mouth. You would think I'm disagreeing with absolutely everything at this stage...@Lord Tim I notice your comment about not updating frequently (something I agree with) and roll back, I take a slightly different angle here, again tackled on my first post. I've pasted it several times already I will spare people this time. Thx.

I read your first post back when you posted it. In fact I've read the whole thread and I'm pretty sure I'm able to parse who said what fairly successfully and I'm even reasonably sure I understand what you're asking for and why. I don't think you're disagreeing with everything. 
 
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?
 

mettelus I still keep an old Tascam 424 under my desk in its original box so that in my moments of frustration I can think "Oooh... I could go back to that.... NOT!"

HA! Wow, I have a Tascam 488 sitting in the next room, which this just reminded me of. I'm almost nostalgic for it! .... almost! 

John
You start with "Platinum is an improvement" but its all about short comings for most of the rest of the post. Plus at the end you offer a solution. Some of us don't see a need for any solution. We like what CW is doing.
 

Fair comment, bit less of the 'us' please. You don't represent everybody on this forum and nor do I. People can speak for themselves.

John
Now I'm sure you will say I am for bugs. I want bugs and more bugs. That would be untrue.

If you have a full quote then use it, otherwise stop putting words into my mouth. Thankyou.

John
what do you propose for that kind of improvement? A slew of bugs fixes only? That will sell a lot of Sonar.

I propose you read the thread and my posts more carefully, perhaps quote me rather than stuffing more words into my mouth.

JohnAlso as an alternative to posting endlessly on every thread why not write up a white paper proposal laying out just how CW can do a better in fixing bugs and submitting it to CW. This would spare us from being assaulted by a never ending discourse.    

'Assaulted' eh... Nice words..And 'Us' again.
Pass...

Ta.

kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

What I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.

I didn't change anything in your post Alex. 

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kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

What I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.

Yawn.
 
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
 
There's nothing clever about refusing to answer a straight and simple question, and you can bet everyone's noticed your MO in the regard by now. It's rude, basically, is what it is.

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kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

What I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.

 
Ah, I get it now.
 
See, I was cycling on what you mean by Cakewalk not directly addressing "this point head on." I was thinking maybe you wanted a policy statement from some big shot at Cakewalk directly addressed to you explaining that you are absolutely right and they're doing it all wrong but regrettably, certain legal issues prevent them from changing over to your clearly superior model, or some such thing like that.
 
But I do get it now. You don't want Cake to acknowledge the value of your points, you're going to hold this forum hostage until they pony up and adopt your release strategy. Kind of like a US Senate filibuster.
 
What the heck, I'm a sucker for an underdog. Go Dok, Go!
 
Ta back atcha, dude.
 

kevinwal

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kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

What I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.

 
Ah, I get it now.
 
See, I was cycling on what you mean by Cakewalk not directly addressing "this point head on." I was thinking maybe you wanted a policy statement from some big shot at Cakewalk directly addressed to you explaining that you are absolutely right and they're doing it all wrong but regrettably, certain legal issues prevent them from changing over to your clearly superior model, or some such thing like that.
 
But I do get it now. You don't want Cake to acknowledge the value of your points, you're going to hold this forum hostage until they pony up and adopt your release strategy. Kind of like a US Senate filibuster.
 
What the heck, I'm a sucker for an underdog. Go Dok, Go!
 
Ta back atcha, dude.
 

LOL