kevinwal
But I do get it now. You don't want Cake to acknowledge the value of your points, you're going to hold this forum hostage until they pony up and adopt your release strategy. Kind of like a US Senate filibuster.

Nope...

Cake can happily ignore it if they want, not holding them at gunpoint. The other John appeared to state they had responded. That's the whole origin of this discussion isn't it? I haven't been bashing my hands on the table demanding a response, and I suspect they would rather not. I'm not going to bend their elbow either...

I'll let you off bending the discussion as I quite enjoyed your humour ;)

I think it is  great advantage to get little slices instead of a big chunk of funtionalities, because this way I have the chance to actually learn what the software can do.
What I dislike is the fact, that the focus is on "cool" stuff - not the necessary maintance of existing features. For example, where can I find a documentation about sfz2? It is great that I can use my own samples within Dimension Pro, but no documentation? What is going on with ACT? It was a game changer in the past, but half of the presets are for hardware that is deprecated since half a decade ago.
I will subcribe for another year, if there is at least some support for these topics. Don't get me wrong, Sonar is great. But I am only willing to pay for another year, if the software is well supported. Otherwise Sonar is just fine as it is - and I will live without new "cool" features.

John
I didn't change anything in your post Alex. 

Pmsl you didn't quote me once, more like a question answer session between yourself, with you holding up a Doktor Avalanche puppet in your hands providing the answers :) Never mind.

kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

DoktorWhat I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.

John T

Yawn.
 
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
 
There's nothing clever about refusing to answer a straight and simple question, and you can bet everyone's noticed your MO in the regard by now. It's rude, basically, is what it is.

Yawn I'll paste it again..

Doktor Avalanche
Platinum for me is an improvement. For me I thought the break off from Roland was a positive. Splat certainly started off with a bang and it's certainly better with Gibson.

Sure the monthly updates are better than X3 and before, sadly however the QA results seem to be about the same. I don't expect bakers to find every issue, QA is hard, the product is complex, it's impossible to find everything. Heck I did it as a job for several years in silicon valley, I should know, and I know part of the model has to be the customers end up being the beta testers, that's fine by me. It's a fact of life we all must deal with if we want good and cheap software. But I still do question the model of releasing unstable or buggy software with bug fixes at the same time.

Monthly is great if all we are is beta testers, and some people want to be, and that is fine by me. The situation we have now basically. But for the rest of us, we want to run on stable releases, and there needs to be another path for us to follow. If there was a situation where there were additional stability releases every quarter with a feature freeze, a true alternative path to follow, that would be a huge improvement. That could run in parallel or part of the normal cycle. Whatever...

To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. This is audio software we are talking about. Some of us just want to spend time recording without issue.

Of course the arguement would be you can simply roll back, this is true and is a good feature... However..

a) We are still put into the position of having to be beta testers whether we want to or not when we upgrade. That's a pita when all some of us want to do is record, and with paying customers is a big no no.

b) Rolling back may resolve an issue, but just leaves us with other different bugs to cope with. You takes yer choice.

So in summary yup it's better, but something seriously needs to be done to improve the current situation. Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.

Seriously I starting to wonder about reading abilities here. I've pasted this like a zillion times have I not?

Glad you had a chuckle.  I might help you to know that in many American movies it's the snarky, self-absorbed and generally stuck up female antagonist who wiggles her fingers and dismisses those she considers her social or intellectual inferiors with a nasty little "Ta." Knowing this might help you avoid causing inadvertent offense.
 
Edited to be clear about what I'm saying here.
 
 
 

I am feeling like this is going round in circles...
I do not feel like this is a thread to throw down the gloves, is it? 
Anyone with me?
(Again, not pointing fingers at anyone)
Which came first? The hen or the egg?
(I am full of it tonight, though...
Ps. I know the answer)
All the best.

Doktor Avalanche

kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

... Lots of repetitive stuff deleted here.

Seriously I starting to wonder about reading abilities here. I've pasted this like a zillion times have I not?

 
I wrote a pissed off response to this and deleted it because it embarrassed me to stoop to this level. And I cannot fathom what it is that motivates you to resort to blatant insults rather than directly address the actual question I asked instead of the one you want it to be. If you have a hard time understanding my question, please feel free to ask. I'd love to help you successfully navigate this internet thing. 

I have to say ( and then I will shut up with, regards to this thread), that this thread is what deterred me from Gearslutsz, as a participant in the first place.
Please do not let this forum become one of those places, where ignorance / personal attack is placed above general understanding of the product. Or even the general use of this "product".
The answer lies somewhere in between the written truth, and the perceived one ...
I guess this is the age of internet.
If you cannot reply directly to the comment you are replying to, then don' t...
Why, oh why...
Ps. Still not pointing fingers.........................................................
 

The CCC rollback seems to be an important part of the new regimen so I am posting this here. I do not mean to derail this thread but I since I have only used the CCC a few times, I actually have a question.
 
I know you can revert to a previous Sonar version but what about all the other associated files not included in the Sonar core?
I assume that you can individually rollback say DimPro or Rapture, but can you literally rollback your entire Sonar system (Sonar + VSTs + VSTi's) to a previous state like for Windows restore points?
 
This seems like a desirable feature and a troubleshooting  timesaver if a new upgrade breaks your workflow and a rollback is necessary. 
 
 
 

microapp
The CCC rollback seems to be an important part of the new regimen so I am posting this here. I do not mean to derail this thread but I since I have only used the CCC a few times, I actually have a question.
 
I know you can revert to a previous Sonar version but what about all the other associated files not included in the Sonar core?
I assume that you can individually rollback say DimPro or Rapture, but can you literally rollback your entire Sonar system (Sonar + VSTs + VSTi's) to a previous state like for Windows restore points?
 
This seems like a desirable feature and a troubleshooting  timesaver if a new upgrade breaks your workflow and a rollback is necessary. 
 
 
 

You shouldn't have to roll back non core files. They don't change that often.