Zargg71
I have to say ( and then I will shut up with, regards to this thread), that this thread is what deterred me from Gearslutsz, as a participant in the first place.
Please do not let this forum become one of those places, where ignorance / personal attack is placed above general understanding of the product. Or even the general use of this "product".
The answer lies somewhere in between the written truth, and the perceived one ...
I guess this is the age of internet.
If you cannot reply directly to the comment you are replying to, then don' t...
Why, oh why...
Ps. Still not pointing fingers.........................................................

 
Ken, I appreciate and agree with the sentiments expressed here, but I'm afraid that if I back down now, the Visigoths will have won and all will be for naught.
 

Adq
I'm with minority here. I can absolutely understand people who become crazy because of annoying bugs. And absolutely can't understand people who defend bugs, and yes, it is what many of you do.
Oh, it is not a bug. Oh, maybe it is bug, but very small. Oh, you must be doing something wrong. Oh, you must learn better. Oh, you should do it other way, because there is only one right way to do it. Oh, I never saw any bugs. Oh, the tool is perfect and all problems is in your head. Oh, you must be bad musician, so you can't do music, and that is why you are sitting here and write about bugs.
It is complete nonsense and waste of time. It looks stupid for me.

maybe it just has to do with the ambiguity of the term “bug” 
 

kevinwal
Glad you had a chuckle.  I might help you to know that in many American movies it's the snarky, self-absorbed and generally stuck up female antagonist who wiggles her fingers and dismisses those she considers her social or intellectual inferiors with a nasty little "Ta." Knowing this might help you avoid causing inadvertent offense.
 
Edited to be clear about what I'm saying here.

In the UK it means 'cheers' or 'thanks'. Guess it's what is intended is what counts...

kevinwal
I'm simply curious about the comment that Cake hasn't addressed "the point", which I assume to mean your point, head on. So again, I'm asking what you meant by that and what you would have them do to address the point head on?

DoktorWhat I wrote first post. Not what John is writing that I am saying nor anybody else for that matter. Had enough of looping and so has everybody else :) Ta.

John T

Yawn.
 
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"
 
There's nothing clever about refusing to answer a straight and simple question, and you can bet everyone's noticed your MO in the regard by now. It's rude, basically, is what it is.

Doktor AvalancheYawn I'll paste it again..

Doktor Avalanche
Platinum for me is an improvement. For me I thought the break off from Roland was a positive. Splat certainly started off with a bang and it's certainly better with Gibson.

Sure the monthly updates are better than X3 and before, sadly however the QA results seem to be about the same. I don't expect bakers to find every issue, QA is hard, the product is complex, it's impossible to find everything. Heck I did it as a job for several years in silicon valley, I should know, and I know part of the model has to be the customers end up being the beta testers, that's fine by me. It's a fact of life we all must deal with if we want good and cheap software. But I still do question the model of releasing unstable or buggy software with bug fixes at the same time.

Monthly is great if all we are is beta testers, and some people want to be, and that is fine by me. The situation we have now basically. But for the rest of us, we want to run on stable releases, and there needs to be another path for us to follow. If there was a situation where there were additional stability releases every quarter with a feature freeze, a true alternative path to follow, that would be a huge improvement. That could run in parallel or part of the normal cycle. Whatever...

To say that there is no demand for stability releases (as has been stated only recently) is a ridiculous statement. This is audio software we are talking about. Some of us just want to spend time recording without issue.

Of course the arguement would be you can simply roll back, this is true and is a good feature... However..

a) We are still put into the position of having to be beta testers whether we want to or not when we upgrade. That's a pita when all some of us want to do is record, and with paying customers is a big no no.

b) Rolling back may resolve an issue, but just leaves us with other different bugs to cope with. You takes yer choice.

So in summary yup it's better, but something seriously needs to be done to improve the current situation. Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.

Doktor Avalanche
Seriously I starting to wonder about reading abilities here. I've pasted this like a zillion times have I not?

kevinwal wrote a pissed off response to this and deleted it because it embarrassed me to stoop to this level. And I cannot fathom what it is that motivates you to resort to blatant insults rather than directly address the actual question I asked instead of the one you want it to be. If you have a hard time understanding my question, please feel free to ask. I'd love to help you successfully navigate this internet thing.

Seriously?
Blatent insults? John T told me he was fed up with me pasting the same post, so I refer to it,
then he calls it rude that I refer to a previous post, so I paste the same post, then this is a blatent insult..

This is getting rather silly isn't it?

You wrote?

kevinwal
Your first post doesn't answer the question "what you would have them do to address the point head on?"

Perhaps I shall abstract the answer for you now from the quote pasted a zillion+1 times now... And even put it in bold in case you might miss it.

Doktor Avalanche Bring on regular stability releases and schedule them so we know in advance is my opinion. The current model is a good start, please tweak it.

I hope you are finally happy now. This has been pasted now a gazillion times. The VERY first post I wrote,.

Cant you hear me banging my broomstick on the ceiling? Knock it off up there already!

haven't all monthly updates included manifold stability improvements, and bug fixes? Sonar is getting better every month. It's not a case of two steps forward this month, one back the next. 

 
On the plus side, the membership model works really well for me.
 
On the down side, whoever dreamt up the downright ugly portmanteau "SPLAT" should be permanently separated from his genitals.
 
Still, I suppose it could have been a lot worse...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.... they could have christened it "SONAR Hits"
 
 

Wow... what trainwreck this is.
 
I'd like to point out that I am constantly pointing out bugs and defiencies that I find in my travels. No one seems to crawl up my butt about it (usually).
 
Funny that.

I agree with a lot of the FIRST few posts in this thread.   For this past year I also am very happy with the "model."
 
This PAST year was a bargain, for me at least, BUT to fully answer the question asked in the threads' title the upcoming year will tell the full story, not the past year, because; the new Cakewalk business model hasn't really been in full play yet.
 
In January (2015), it cost $149 to go from Sonar X3 Producer to Sonar Platinum (please no semantic gymnastics over words like rental, or subscription, or whatever).  With that upgrade we ALSO obtained AD 2 with XLN Producer pak (XLN's 3-pak add in), Melodyne Essential, as well as the usual suspects like the full versions of Dimension Pro and Rapture.  
 
We got all the above and, over this past year, we also obtained a lot of improvements, enhancements,  and fixes (not everything that all folks wanted - but more than a few) and add-ons like Drum Replacer (not important to me but apparently to a lot of users it is great).   So again for $149,  this past year was a very good year.
 
As I alluded, most of us already had full Dim Pro and Rapture.  I have no less than four Dim. Pro and Rapture serial numbers accumulated with various upgrades over the years, so that was no selling point, for me to "jump in" last January.  Also, the  $79 Melodyne Essential was not a selling point (again, to me) since, I had it from the previous upgrade from Sonar X2 Pro to X3 Pro (and actually had already upgraded to the Melodyne Editor). 
 
However, the  XLN AD 2 with Producer pak was the tipping point (for me) to jump in since I was going to upgrade from AD 1 to AD 2 anyway.  That alone would have been $79 without even considering how much the XLN Producer 3-pak would have been ( I think that was another ~$80 or more).   
 
So as I see it, I got AD 2 upgrade for than $79 (with free 3 pak add-on) AND Sonar Platinum with a year of "monthly" updates, enhancements, and fixes at a huge discount of around ~$70, again a GREAT DEAL for CY 2015!
 
But looking AHEAD to CY 2016:
 
This UPCOMING year is going to cost me (most of us) $199 simply for the PROMISE of a year of updates (aka bug fixes).  The rest are ALL "maybes."  Maybe new feature add-ons (like Drum Replacer), maybe enhancements/improvements, maybe TBD add-on/add-in "bonuses."   Bottom-line: there is no legal requirement for Cakewalk to do much, if ANYTHING for that $199 in CY 2016. 
 
Although there is a very real and pragmatic business reason for Cakewalk to deliver what most users would agree is worth AT LEAST $200 in support, enhancements, fixes, etc. 
 
Cakewalk, like all companies, wants to maintain and, more importantly, GROW their customer base.   They can only do that if most users think they get their money's worth and "spread the (good) word." Additionally Cakewalk wants to minimize (zero being the ideal) negative or unrecoverable "press."  So Cakewalk, like most companies, is motivated to deliver for that $199.  
 
So at this time next year you or I may end up thinking we've gotten way more than $200 worth of "stuff," and support, enhancements, improvements, and fixes for our $199.  Or we may think we got very little more than a few expensive bug fixes.  So the real story for CY 2016 is TBD .    This will be the first time I have to lay out $200 for a year's worth of Cakewalk "maybes."   so next year I will re-evaluate whether I will continue down this path with Cakewalk.
 
I'm not complaining at all for this past year, again it was a great deal (to me) for $149, but the UPCOMING year will tell the actual story, good or bad, of Cakewalk's "new and improved" business model.
 
For the record I've been with Cakewalk, and loyal to this sequencer, now DAW, software, since Mar 1989 when I bought CW V2 for DOS - I just don't show up here very often to post.
 

Beepster
Wow... what trainwreck this is.
 
I'd like to point out that I am constantly pointing out bugs and defiencies that I find in my travels. No one seems to crawl up my butt about it (usually).
 
Funny that.

You should try responding to a thread entitled 'As we near one year of a subscription model, what say you? Are we better or worse off?'

Hint. Even if you write 'better off' like I did, don't ask for the monthly cycle to be tweaked or even mention 'old bugs'. That is heresy here. Not allowed in an open discussion. Apparently trolling...