To me it's great that the Cakewalk CTO stepped in to clarify the way things work, and yes it is (by far) the best implementation of this type of business model I've ever been aware of.  Cakewalk really does seem to actually care about their customers (a rarity today) and have found a way to be extremely accommodating and rewarding to loyal customers while still being able to get paid themselves.  Well done indeed.

IN my perfect scenario there would be no new features until all the existing features are bulletproof and operate exactly as described in the docs. That would be bliss but I don't think it will ever happen.

williamcopper
Paid for the entire year upfront, and have gotten nothing, completely zero, of benefit to me.  Unless, possibly, there is something under the hood toward making things more stable.   I'm at the G revision and see no benefit to even using the free updates to H J I K .

 
Given that your psychic abilities have already determined that the K update, which isn't even out yet, will provide no benefit to you...got any stock tips?

ampfixer
IN my perfect scenario there would be no new features until all the existing features are bulletproof and operate exactly as described in the docs. That would be bliss but I don't think it will ever happen.

The best anyone can hope for is a continuing flow of fixes, combined with enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy.

ampfixer
IN my perfect scenario there would be no new features until all the existing features are bulletproof and operate exactly as described in the docs. That would be bliss but I don't think it will ever happen.

Anderton
The best anyone can hope for is a continuing flow of fixes, combined with enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy.

Regression bugs will always have priority (with the new features), this is the norm and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
However ultimately ^^ what you are saying ^^ means we have to accept old bugs will rarely or never get fixed, as there will be hardly any time to do so if new features keep pouring out... you know the same old issues that customers have been banging on about for years now, and really the last 10 months pretty much confirms that imho.
 
The model could have worked brilliantly if the bug backlog from X3E to X1 (and far far earlier from what I understand) were mostly resolved, or this was a brand new product, sadly there is too crap from past history to clear up... And effectively ignoring most of this is building up a house with flimsy foundations that will eventually fall over ....please remember what I wrote here in case it happens.
 
Also if there are to be no periodic/regular feature freezes/stability releases, then those of us who don't want to be, will just be condemned to a beta testing roller coaster ride... Rolling backwards or forwards (if able) to whatever middle ground we might be able to cope with. This profile of customer (who is just looking for stability) will eventually pack their bags imho.
 
I don't particularly like writing this, but that's the truth as I see it. Sorry...

There is a fun compromise option. There must be always one and only one new feature in development, and it should be the leader of this forum feature request list. All other development resources should go to improve existing functionality.
In this case it would be stable enough, and nobody could say that feature requests are not implemented.

Adq
There is a fun compromise option. There must be always one and only one new feature in development, and it should be the leader of this forum feature request list. All other development resources should go to improve existing functionality.
In this case it would be stable enough, and nobody could say that feature requests are not implemented.

I'm not so sure it's much different than what we have now. In my view there should be at least one full time developer dedicated to working full time on the backlog before Platinum got released, and he/she should not be distracted by anything else (e.g. other projects, regression fixes with new features or new features). If there is no developer available then a job should be advertised. Bugs should be fixed, abandoned half baked functionality should be made whole and obvious missing workflow tweaks put in place (no major functionality).

I saw a sign that said: "You have reached the end of the internet! There is no more internet!" Like the end of a road. Imagine the day when there are no more new features to add in relation to the competition. The day when Sonar has every possible feature any music creator or collaborator could ever want or need & the software is rock solid. What would the music world ( as a whole) think of Sonar then?
 

To post to the original topic. yea, it has been good for me.  Are there occasional bugs and are there things I am not nuts about, sure.

All in all though, I feel it is the best Sonar yet and I do like the pay as you go and keep after a year.

Now the real question is, will we early adopters still get the cut-rate price after the initial year is up?

 

ampfixer
IN my perfect scenario there would be no new features until all the existing features are bulletproof and operate exactly as described in the docs. That would be bliss but I don't think it will ever happen.

Anderton
The best anyone can hope for is a continuing flow of fixes, combined with enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy.

Doktor AvalancheHowever ultimately ^^ what you are saying ^^ means we have to accept old bugs will rarely or never get fixed, as there will be hardly any time to do so if new features keep pouring out...

 
OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. 

• "A continuing flow of fixes" DOES NOT exclude fixing old or long-standing bugs.
•  Saying "enough features to keep those clamoring for new features happy" DOES NOT equate to "new features keep pouring out."

 
And your saying "If there is no developer available then a job should be advertised" is clueless, too. Cakewalk has advertised for developers on the freaking home page hero slider. They still are advertising for developers. In fact there are two openings right now. 
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Careers
https://www.cakewalk.com/Careers/Gigs
 
Since it is of such vital importance that you always get the last word, you'll be happy to know I have to take a break from this forum...so I will have no response to whatever you post next. I can handle negativity, even non-constructive criticism from people I respect, but repeating the same thing over and over and over - as if you have some magical power where saying your negative mantras over and over and over again will conjure up developers and resources - is not even worth the time to read.
 

I don't particularly like writing this, but that's the truth as I see it. Sorry...

 
The truth as I see it is you should go find software that better fits your needs, and let the musicians who frequent this forum help each other get the most out of SONAR and make music. IMO both of those actions would have a much better chance of changing the world in a positive direction compared to what you're presently doing.
 
And if people think I'm being mean...I'm human, and can take only so much negativity. My presence here is all about my desire to provide solutions and help people accomplish what they want to accomplish. I bite my tongue a lot in this forum - A LOT - but I'll be damned if I'll sit back and let you put words in my mouth. If anyone has any questions for me about any of the tips or techniques I've presented, you can find me at my forum on Harmony Central.com. 
 
I apologize to all the wonderful people in this forum, but I've had enough and it's going to take me quite a bit of time to cool off.