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2018/05/20 23:14:07
mwmcbroom
scook
mwmcbroom
 It has a couple of very useful guitar sounds. One thing to note -- you refer to (and show) the BT Brickwall Limiter -- it isn't included in SPlat, apparently. I have available in SPlat the Sonitus Compressor and Compressor/Gate, which I realize aren't the same thing, but perhaps fairly close. There doesn't appear to be a Limiter included with SPlat.
 

The Nomad Blue Tubes plug-ins including the BT Brickwall BW2S-3 and BT Limiter LM2S-3 are bundled with Platinum. Later versions of Platinum also included the Adaptive Limiter.




Okay, that's interesting. I thought I'd d/l'd all the accompanying stuff for SPlat, but apparently I missed a rather important add-on. I'll go have a look and see if I can find it -- both on my machine and at Cakewalk.com. Thanks for the heads-up!
2018/05/20 23:23:47
scook
The Blue Tubes plug-ins are in the Studio Mixing FX Suite installer. The Adaptive Limiter is in the Engineering FX Suite installer.
2018/05/20 23:43:33
mwmcbroom
Thanks, well my Download Manager indicates I've d/l'd both these installers before, but I went ahead and reinstalled them. Both 64-bit and 32-bit this time, dunno if it makes a difference on this 64-bit machine, but I reckon it couldn't hurt.
2018/05/21 02:21:45
randyman
@chris.r  sysex is always EXCLUSIVE to sound module (vst, etc.) it is being sent to... ie, not universal to all.  For the 'most' part MIDI has some common grounds for several types of controls, etc. in the audio/synth/sound module path.
 
Keep in mind that midi is also used to control lighting consoles and many other things (fog machines, curtain actions, etc.) that run/can be synced to time code.  Lighting that is perfectly timed in studio production of things is nearly 100% controlled by MIDI instruction synced to time code.  MIDI in itself does nothing.  It is only a method of conveying information.
 
 
2018/05/21 13:37:05
dubdisciple
I think some of the comments only deepen the confusion between MIDI as a protocol and MIDI controlled modules and VSTs. As said by others, MIDI itself cannot have EQ since it is the information and not the sound. Effects can be applied to the audio output of vst instruments but this can be tricky with multitumbral instruments with only one stereo output. One solution is multiple instances of the vst using only one instrument per instance.
2018/05/21 15:13:33
mwmcbroom
Okay, I finally located the BT devices -- and the Adaptive Limiter as well. So I played around with them some.
 
I like the Oilcan Echo. It gives a cool sort of old-school vibe to a piece. Easy does it though. I dial the mix in at about 15% or so, maybe a bit less. I just kinda like the ghosting of an echo for most of my sounds where I even want to try an echo effect.
 
I tried out the Adaptive Limiter on several different pieces. I found it to be somewhat disconcerting. Even when dialed into its lightest setting, it gave the mix an almost granular sort of feel that I really didn't care for. Other settings I tried weren't much better, if at all. So, I have  mixed feelings about the usefulness of the Adaptive Limiter, at least for my uses.
 
Next I tried the BT Brickwall, which is what Johnny recommends in his tutorial. He dials his threshold down to about -0.2dB. I found this worked well with a few tracks, but when I applied Brickwall to a final mixdown, leaving it at the "CD Mastering" default seemed to work best. Frankly, I'm amazed at what this little routine can do. I'm now going back through every one of my tunes and trying their final mix with it. It all cases so far, it has dramatically improved the final levels of my tunes.
 
I gotta say, Johnny, thanks so much for bringing this little jewel to my attention!
 
 
 
2018/05/21 15:17:51
mwmcbroom
dubdisciple
I think some of the comments only deepen the confusion between MIDI as a protocol and MIDI controlled modules and VSTs. As said by others, MIDI itself cannot have EQ since it is the information and not the sound. Effects can be applied to the audio output of vst instruments but this can be tricky with multitumbral instruments with only one stereo output. One solution is multiple instances of the vst using only one instrument per instance.



This is what I've ended up doing, but in order to do so, I've been bouncing my MIDI tracks to audio so I can apply the VSTs to individual tracks. Early on, when trying to apply a VST to, say TTS-1, I didn't really care for the way the sound got applied to all my MIDI tracks. About the only effect I found that sorta worked was reverb, but then this is an effect that's available individually with the MIDI tracks, and I prefer to apply it on an individual basis.
2018/05/21 15:37:13
John
One clue is try inserting an EQ in a MIDI tracks FX bin. One can't do that. MIDI FX is not the same as an audio FX. 
2018/05/21 16:00:47
Cactus Music
Mvmcbroom:
"This is what I've ended up doing, but in order to do so, I've been bouncing my MIDI tracks to audio so I can apply the VSTs to individual tracks. Early on, when trying to apply a VST to, say TTS-1, I didn't really care for the way the sound got applied to all my MIDI tracks. About the only effect I found that sorta worked was reverb, but then this is an effect that's available individually with the MIDI tracks, and I prefer to apply it on an individual basis."
 
Just a few comments:
 Bouncing to audio is a great idea for tracks your 100% finished with. But if you need to edit later  you don't need to bounce to audio. You can apply audio effects to the instrument track. 
And you have the option with the TTS-1 of using 4 outputs. So you can sub group what your applying the effect to.
I know that's very limiting. And anther work around is to insert more than one instance of TTS_1. It is a light load synth so not a problem.
 
And yes when I say "much better" instruments I'm not really talking about the SI collection. They are a small step up from TTS-1. I used those in the tutorial so people who had Home Studio or Artist could follow along. 
And I'll also agree that some of the TTS-1 instruments get the job done. Your correct about Strum Session doesn't sound much better than TTS_1 guitars, other than the effects. The Jazz brush snare is also very good and my go to for that. I still have TTS-1 on many projects just for those things it does better than others at this point. 
 
 
 
2018/05/21 17:54:40
dubdisciple
I ran into this issue when trying to use free version of studio one with my students.  Since there is only one instrument ( a stereo rompler with a variety of instruments) I had to use multiple instances to process individual drums hits.  It's kind of flunky at first, but creating a project template helps immensely.
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