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2018/05/21 04:05:27
Daibhidh
iamjcole,

A few thoughts. What was described above taking a song and making an adult version is clearly troll behaviour. If Bandlab wants to limit this on their platform there are several options.

1) Police everything yourself (Time intensive and experience) or
2) Allow the original artist to revoke forked versions they deem not genuine attempts or offensive.
3) Require everyone who signs up to use a cellphone so it's not so easy for trolls to create multiple accounts.

Just sharing my thoughts. I think it's great you're looking into this!
2018/05/21 04:17:55
Grem
Daibhidh
iamjcole,

A few thoughts. What was described above taking a song and making an adult version is clearly troll behaviour. If Bandlab wants to limit this on their platform there are several options.

2) Allow the original artist to revoke forked versions they deem not genuine attempts or offensive.

Just sharing my thoughts. I think it's great you're looking into this!
 



 
+1 to #2 above.
 
And talk about customer service!!!
2018/05/21 05:06:15
iamjcole
Thanks Daibhidh and Grem! 
 
I hear you and appreciate the suggestions. As with any collaboration, there is trust and risk involved. Allowing forks relinquishes control. If someone makes something you don't like with the project on which you've allowed forks, other than messaging the other user, there's nothing you can do at this point. Any content on BandLab can be reported and we follow up on all reports.
 
Art is subjective. We won't stand for harassment or bullying on BandLab but we try not to censor or police the music posted. Offensive comments and posts are taken down regularly, but with songs, what's art to one can be offensive to another. That's the nature of art and music. We hope to provide a platform where creators and fans can communicate safely and positively about the music posted. 
 
I haven't heard the song in question to have a personal opinion, but it's quite possible that the adult version of the song the other user made wasn't trolling, it could simply be the kind of music he makes. 
2018/05/21 05:12:09
GjB
Leadfoot
I also make sure anything I post is copyrighted.

Just a quick question, please?
There are instructions and resources on the internet about how to copyright music. I also have some classical type music from an old musical keyboard years ago which I composed. Do you have a quick step-by-step copyright process you could share - with some links to the resource or authority you use? I've been meaning to copyright a few tracks - but keep putting it off. (It depends on the belief in one's work, plus costs, ambition, etc., of course to actually decide to copyright in the first place.) Thanks.
2018/05/21 10:41:35
fireberd
I've done about a dozen song demo sessions for a "retired" Nashville songwriter who had some success in the late 60's to early 80's.  He belongs to BMI and I get the impression he feels BMI will protect any of his songs.
 
As a side benefit, he is a "student" of the late Nashville producer Billy Sherrill.  He has done some major label producing and I've learned a lot about recording and mixing from him.
 
 
 
 
2018/05/21 11:05:50
mudgel
Leadfoot
If you don't check the option to allow "forking" when you upload the song, they can't take it and change it. I also make sure anything I post is copyrighted.


Despite copyrighting your material I believe that putting it on the net and sharing it under a Creative Commons licence may negate the copyright. If it’s important to you which it clearly is as you’ve gone to the trouble to copyright your material, you ought to check it out to be certain.
2018/05/21 11:27:07
tobiaslindahl
Copyright is pretty much useless these days is it not? You could be Prince, Metallica or Avicii and have your music downloaded, copied, ripped, reworked, mixed etc etc without any kind of action taken for the most part. Some home made tunes by amatuers or unknown people being "protected" is nothing more than words on paper. It means nothing at all to anyone. 
If people does not want anyone to mess with their music, there is only one solution and that is to not let anyone hear it in the first place. Making money on music is totally impossible today unless you are in the top tier so not sure what the copyright really provides to begin with for the common man. 
 
Better approach is to appreciate someone liking it enough to mess with it creating new versions. Might increase the nr of people hearing it even, if that is why you put it out there I mean. That is about as much you can ever expect to get from posting your music online. Trying to fight the reality of things is rather futile.
If you dont think you have written the next nr 1 on Billboard, worrying about copyrights etc is a waste of time and resources. That is just my very humble opinion of course :) 
2018/05/21 12:06:17
Phoen1xPJ
US Copyright costs... the last full album I copyrighted was $55.
2018/05/21 12:14:16
bdickens
Copyright law varies greatly from country to country. Here in the US, a work is automaticaly copyrighted as soon as it is put into some tangible form (in this case, either written or recorded). Of course, in the event of an infringement action, you have to be able to prove that you own the rights. And it is unlikely that any attorney will take your case unless you have registered with the Copyright office.
2018/05/21 12:21:02
Meng
Hey bobby - really sorry to hear you had a negative experience.
 
As Jeremy mentioned - there is a bug with the block feature that occurs in certain situations and you experienced one which we are working on resolving asap. 
 
"BandLab considers EVERYTHING YOU POST OR RECORD AS PUBLIC DOMAIN in my opinion." <- this is definitely not true and may be a misunderstanding! We are very protective of our artists and what they create, and our users have complete access to keeping things private or to share it publicly but not forkable so all rights are reserved and no-one can download their stems etc.
 
We do understand that the concept of "forkable" is confusing to some users as it's BandLab-specific terminology, and we are working to make this option easier to understand to ensure that one doesn't accidentally turn it on - just like other platforms do before you license it out with Creative Commons etc...!
 
I do thank you for trying it all out and giving your honest feedback, though.
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