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2018/05/21 23:22:10
Johnbee58
A little confused here.  When I saw that you were using Bandlab I assumed you were talking about the DAW (Cakewalk by Bandlab).  I just finished my first project on that DAW and I uploaded it only to Soundclick and BandCAMP.  Do you mean that you posted your song to the Bandlab site?  I'm not real familiar with their website yet as I stick with Cakewalk's original site, at least for now.  It is my understanding that the Cakewalk site will at some point in the future cease to exist, but while it's still up there I will continue to use it, only because I'm a creature of habit.  So, if I'm understanding this right, you (OP Serious Noize) posted an original song to the Bandlab site and somebody took the liberty to "murder" it.  I don't blame you for being pissed.  I wouldn't appreciate that either.
I stick to Soundclick and BandCAMP because I'm fairly familiar with their policies.  I don't like the idea of somebody being able to claim ownership of my work just because I post it on their site, especially if they don't have to at least pay me for the right to use it.
 
John B.
2018/05/22 00:25:49
msmcleod
The BandLab website I guess it pretty similar to Soundclick/BandCAMP, in that you can upload your songs there for other people to hear.
 
However BandLab also have The BandLab Editor, which is a pretty basic but fully functional DAW that runs in a browser (yes, really - this pretty much blew my mind when I first saw it).
 
If you use this to construct your songs, you can opt for it to be "forked" either openly to the public, or to a private group of people. You can also use this for collaboration, so that several people can work on the same song using the BandLab Editor.
 
This could be in the form of a virtual band spread across the globe, it could be you just want a guitar solo or vocals added, or it may be you've got a riff with nowhere to go and you're happy for someone to write something based on it.
 
 
Finally, there's Cakewalk By BandLab, which is the fully featured DAW we all used to know as Sonar.
 
You can export your audio stems & MIDI tracks between Sonar and the BandLab Editor so that you can collaborate on projects regardless of what DAW or operating system your collaborators are using. It does make the process easier than sharing CWP files to an extent, because if you're using audio stems it doesn't matter if you don't share the same plugins.
 
I hope this makes sense!
 
M.
2018/05/22 02:08:07
Chandler
This might be slightly off topic, but I was wondering is it possible to allow forking to only those in a community? I have an idea I want to try. It will work better if only those in a group/community can see/fork the song.
2018/05/22 04:05:17
Grem
Yes Chandler. You can have a band and share the song among band members.
 
You can also decide to keep your project private and invite people to collaborate.
 
I am just learning the in's and outs of this. So I really can't give a step by step process.
2018/05/22 10:11:08
Johnbee58
msmcleod
The BandLab website I guess it pretty similar to Soundclick/BandCAMP, in that you can upload your songs there for other people to hear.
 
However BandLab also have The BandLab Editor, which is a pretty basic but fully functional DAW that runs in a browser (yes, really - this pretty much blew my mind when I first saw it).
 
If you use this to construct your songs, you can opt for it to be "forked" either openly to the public, or to a private group of people. You can also use this for collaboration, so that several people can work on the same song using the BandLab Editor.
 
This could be in the form of a virtual band spread across the globe, it could be you just want a guitar solo or vocals added, or it may be you've got a riff with nowhere to go and you're happy for someone to write something based on it.
 
 
Finally, there's Cakewalk By BandLab, which is the fully featured DAW we all used to know as Sonar.
 
You can export your audio stems & MIDI tracks between Sonar and the BandLab Editor so that you can collaborate on projects regardless of what DAW or operating system your collaborators are using. It does make the process easier than sharing CWP files to an extent, because if you're using audio stems it doesn't matter if you don't share the same plugins.
 
I hope this makes sense!
 
M.


Yes.  That does make sense and I thank you for the detailed explanation.  So, if I use Cake by Bandlab I keep my project private, but if I use the Bandlab Editor I can either make it private or invite collaboration (via forking).  Correct?
BTW-The concept of an online DAW I've seen on various TV advertisements, or maybe they were YouTube ads.  I don't remember which, but I have heard of that concept before.  The part that's new to me is the forking/collab part, which I can see as a great convenience for people who want to use it.
Thanks again.
 
JB
2018/05/22 10:43:55
mudgel
The term “fork” is also used in places like Github. As I explained in another thread. On Github it indicates that an existing bit of code has deviated from the original and a new fork or branch is now being developed. It’s just a point to which you can return where a bit of code was added onto by another dev from the original dev.
2018/05/22 10:58:59
Tom F
so in the end a guy shares something over the net and then complains others use it ?
 
he also did not check all the options eventually - what is it with that fork feature ?
 
then he complains about adult stuff - well what exactly is that ? where does it start - isn´t that quite subjective ?
 
finally only smart asses who are company related will answer he supposes ?
 
that is all a little over the top, unless you are a kid you should consider what can happen before doing something instead of starting a rant later.
 
the only thing that seems to be an objective issue is the bug regarding your list of users.
 
 
2018/05/22 12:00:21
anydmusic
SimpleManZ
bdickens
Copyright law varies greatly from country to country. Here in the US, a work is automaticaly copyrighted as soon as it is put into some tangible form (in this case, either written or recorded). Of course, in the event of an infringement action, you have to be able to prove that you own the rights. And it is unlikely that any attorney will take your case unless you have registered with the Copyright office.

Somehow I get the impression the OP thinks using a 'paid' license Sonar Platinum automatically makes a creation copyrighted.


I think "paid license" is the phrase used when someone wants special treatment because they used the product before its death and resurrection.
2018/05/22 12:33:38
Brian Walton
SimpleManZ
bdickens
Copyright law varies greatly from country to country. Here in the US, a work is automaticaly copyrighted as soon as it is put into some tangible form (in this case, either written or recorded). Of course, in the event of an infringement action, you have to be able to prove that you own the rights. And it is unlikely that any attorney will take your case unless you have registered with the Copyright office.

Somehow I get the impression the OP thinks using a 'paid' license Sonar Platinum automatically makes a creation copyrighted.
Lets say you have an idea to write a song on paper but no pen. Aha, you see a pen laying there, so you pick it up and use it to write your idea. Then someone comes along and read your poem and says, "I like it-but that is my pen you used-which means I own the poem"


Melodies and Lyrics are copyrighted the moment you record them.  The problem is the burden of proof in providing evidence that someone was the first to create them.
 
This is why people file a copyright, so they have the proof of when it was created/submitted.  
2018/05/22 12:35:22
msmcleod
Brian Walton
SimpleManZ
bdickens
Copyright law varies greatly from country to country. Here in the US, a work is automaticaly copyrighted as soon as it is put into some tangible form (in this case, either written or recorded). Of course, in the event of an infringement action, you have to be able to prove that you own the rights. And it is unlikely that any attorney will take your case unless you have registered with the Copyright office.

Somehow I get the impression the OP thinks using a 'paid' license Sonar Platinum automatically makes a creation copyrighted.
Lets say you have an idea to write a song on paper but no pen. Aha, you see a pen laying there, so you pick it up and use it to write your idea. Then someone comes along and read your poem and says, "I like it-but that is my pen you used-which means I own the poem"


Melodies and Lyrics are copyrighted the moment you record them.  The problem is the burden of proof in providing evidence that someone was the first to create them.
 
This is why people file a copyright, so they have the proof of when it was created/submitted.  




Presumably BandLab can now help with this process, as they'll have a digital record of when you started/uploaded your project and the various revisions it's gone through.
 
M.
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