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2015/11/02 22:27:23
silvercn
Is it possible to record music on DAW while it is streaming - ie - Pandora? if so - how. 
 
thanks !! 
2015/11/02 23:04:41
noynekker
Well, if recording streaming audio from the internet was possible, no one in the music business would ever make any money now would they ? You raise an interesting question though, and I have often wondered if it is possible, there must be some software out there somewhere, it's probably not legal though.
I'll be most interested in the Sonar Forum responses to this ethical question.
2015/11/02 23:29:09
silvercn
So playing streaming music during downtime at a gig is okay? Pandora is free, so I am listening to a lot of music without paying to listen. 
2015/11/03 00:02:35
BobF
Simple with Audacity.
2015/11/03 00:27:40
Ibanez Laney
It is very easy to do - But not likely legal.
 
That said - Audacity or any software used by gamers for streaming will do it. 
 
The Mixer/Routing software for your audio interface is likely capable of sending the signal where you want it too.
 
 
If the US laws are similar to Australia:
For public use - You are not suppose to broadcast/play someone elses music at your gigs without paying the appropriate fees.
You can't even legally have a radio/CD playing in a retail shop/workplace without paying a yearly fee.
2015/11/03 01:08:33
tenfoot
 
 
 Quote:
If the US laws are similar to Australia:
For public use - You are not suppose to broadcast/play someone elses music at your gigs without paying the appropriate fees.
You can't even legally have a radio/CD playing in a retail shop/workplace without paying a yearly fee.


This is partly true. The venue pays a fee to APRA depending on how many TV's/Speakers/Stages etc they have. Interestingly, APRA can only actually restrict the playing of recordings of Australian artists, which is totally counterproductive IMHO. No such restrictions exist for the LIVE performance of any artists music.
 
APRA is a private organisation. I suspect they are making more money out of these fees than the recording artists are!
 
2015/11/03 01:13:06
tenfoot
Charles -  you are probably better off using one of the many utilities available that are specifically designed to record live streams. Google it and you will find an abundance.
2015/11/03 01:16:42
slartabartfast
noynekker
Well, if recording streaming audio from the internet was possible, no one in the music business would ever make any money now would they ? You raise an interesting question though, and I have often wondered if it is possible, there must be some software out there somewhere, it's probably not legal though.
I'll be most interested in the Sonar Forum responses to this ethical question.


http://www.tomsguide.com/us/pictures-story/435-internet-radio-recording.html
 
You can record anything you can hear. Worst case with a fully encrypted digital signal chain, you could still mic a speaker, or better just do an analog connection from the analog out to an analog in of your recorder/interface.  Except for the fact that the compression can be suboptimal, you could get better quality than you could with vinyl. And the fact that most of the people in the contemporary music business are not making any money is probably not primarily due to internet radio being recorded. Most things can be pirated with even less effort. 
 
The legality is not fully settled. The US Supreme court has clearly held that "time shifting" by recording a TV program to make it available to view at a different time than the broadcast is a fair use, and does not infringe copyright. Strictly applied that would imply that you could only keep the recording until you had viewed it once. Copyright owners have generally taken that interpretation, and hold that creating a music library that can be listened to again and again is not covered. And there may be other issues with a streaming service that are not relevant to an over air broadcast. Copyright aside, recording streaming services may be a violation of the terms of service contract, which would be a breach of contract at minimum, and could constitute fraud or theft of service. The Pandora terms of use, for example, includes: " Restrictions. Except as otherwise specifically permitted in this Agreement, you shall not: (a) modify, download, intercept, or create any derivative works of the Services, including any translations or localizations thereof; (b) access or use the Services through an application or means not authorized by Pandora; (c) copy, store, edit, change, exploit, download, prepare any derivative work of, or alter in any way any of the content made available through the Services"
 
https://www.aimp.org/copy.../12/copyright_law.html
 
http://lsolum.typepad.com/copyfutures/2004/12/copyright_law.html
 
2015/11/03 01:35:14
silvercn
Several points to consider !- on the issue of a venue paying the annual fee - lately around here there are places getting dinged or warning letters. Since there has been a boom here in the last couple of years, more places are featuring live music - so the music police have been busy. Some places ended up cancelling scheduled live shows until they paid the fee.  On this note - perhaps I might stay clear of this and move on. It is interesting though to have seen the points of view....         thanks ! One recent place I gigged at told me up front - no cover songs - so glad I have my originals.....
2015/11/03 12:00:07
TimV
silvercn
So playing streaming music during downtime at a gig is okay? Pandora is free, so I am listening to a lot of music without paying to listen. 


The difference is that when the music is being streamed from Pandora, even the free version, the artist still gets paid. As someone with music on Pandora, my obvious preference would be that someone wanting a copy of a track would buy it on iTunes, Amazon, or CDBaby.
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