• SONAR
  • [Solved] How to eliminate playback lag when repositioning cursor? (p.2)
2015/10/31 18:32:36
Doktor Avalanche
OK seen it. I think it's driver related even though other DAWs may work perfectly.
I know I had this for a while with my Focusrite drivers until I got an update.
 
Update audio interface and firmware. Update motherboard BIOS and chipset drivers. Delete AUD.INI in Sonar.
When updating audio interface driver uninstall and then install (regardless of whether you already have the latest or not).
Might as well update the display driver whilst you are at it.
2015/10/31 18:33:39
Susan G
StepD
To make sure the test you're doing is completely accurate, check that all three programs are playing back the exact same wave files from the same location, etc. That will at least rule out fragmentation or possible disk errors. In Sonar's preferences, under File|Audio Data, make sure Always Copy Imported Audio Files is not checked. And make sure the other two programs are not playing copies of the original wave files either.


Hi Steve-


I'll check this next chance. 
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan
2015/11/01 01:59:03
KPerry
Not in front of SONAR now, but there's a setting called something like 'Reset Now time on time change' (I think it's in one of the drop-down menus with a checkmark). That can affect how long SONAR takes to respond after a jump in Now time, so try disabling it if enabled.
2015/11/01 03:03:52
brundlefly
Hmmm... yes:
 
Options > Set Now Time With Full Restart
"When this option is checked, when you change the Now Time during playback, the Transport comes to a full stop,
and then restarts playback. This stops the sound for a brief moment, but makes synchronization (especially with
video) more robust."
 
I checked it out, and didn't really see a difference on my system, but worth a try, especially if it's currently enabled. Mine was disabled.
2015/11/01 11:09:10
Beepster
I get the exact same thing (with the "record scratch" noise and all) when my projects start getting larger/more complex.
 
The way I minimize it is by flattening any completed "comps", dragging the clip into a new track and archiving the original track with all the takes (thus removing all those takes from the resource load).
 
Sonar is expecting you to be muting/soloing/fastcomping/etc ALL of the takes/clips in ALL of the tracks in the project so it has to make sure they are all available before it starts playback. By minimizing the amount of clips it needs to get ready for such on the fly editing you free up the program and system to react more quickly to transport commands.
 
Even if you aren't finished editing a track you can use that method (I label my tracks as Scratch (for writing/practicing into), Trck Fin (for tracking finals into), Edit (for editing my final takes in) and Final (which is the track with only one of two flattened comps for the final mix). I will often recycle the tracks at various stages instead of actually creating new tracks for each of those stages but the end result is the same. Any takes I recorded into/used for editing/comping get archived and the final mix tracks have as few clips (contiguous clips with no splits and all edits like fades preferably done). If I want to go back and create a new comp I access the original takes I just unarchive the original track and yank what I want.
 
I say all this because I noticed almost IMMEDIATELY with the introduction of the new comping features in X3 that those types of lags got pretty long (they were there before but not as pronounced).
 
That should help reduce quite a bit of what you are experiencing BUT other things to try/consider are active synths and FX (all of which can obviously contribute to lags and latency... especially anything with "lookahead" properties). For those you can just momentarily freeze the synth (in the synth rack) or FX (on the track) or both OR if you don't like/trust freeze you can just do a temporary bounce of the synth performance/FX to a clip and work around that until you are ready to move on to your final mix (where you'll likely want access to all parameters of such things... but I try to get my synth tweaks done first then focus on the mix FX in the final mix as if I recorded a live mic'd instrument and am stuck with the result).
 
Another thing to look at are your Read/Write hard disk i/o cache buffers in Preferences. Mucking around with those seems to have an effect on how long it takes for playback to begin depending on the project (of course they can screw up other things too).
 
And then there are your interface buffer settings which can be tweaked a bit to minimize lags/increase performance/etc.
 
Disabling "realtime protection/scanning" on your AV software is likely to help to or at least whitelisting anything to do with Sonar/audio files.
 
Just some crap I've found over the years that seems to affect this behavior. As I said though the MOST helpful seems to be reducing the amount of clips/take lanes being processed at once. It makes an ENORMOUS difference when I widdle down my projects to "one clip per track". So much so sometimes after I edit I start an entirely new project and import the Audio/MIDI clips I have edited in the original project. I generally reserve that for REALLY crazy projects though (like approaching 70+ tracks and many hundreds of clips).
 
Cheers.
2015/11/01 11:32:10
Beepster
BTW... I've never been able to FULLY eliminate those momentary lags when jumping the Now Time marker during playback on anything other than completely basic projects (like maybe a half dozen or so tracks with minimal takes and effects). Only minimize it.
 
I guess we are technically "gapless" but really only under near perfect conditions. As much as I love Sonar this is one of the reasons would never use it live. It's just too heavy duty/resource intensive and is better suited to a more laid back, stop and start studio creation workflow.
 
I also get a lot of tracks/elements not being audible immediately when trying to work on the fly "gaplessly" (like certain tracks will take a half second or so before they can be heard when bouncing around the timeline or if I start/stop transport very quickly). This is again something that occurs on more complex projects and it really doesn't bother me while I work in my "studio" but would certainly not be acceptable live.
2015/11/02 09:13:43
KPerry
I definitely get a glitch like you when I enable "Set Now Time With Full Restart" and it disappears when it's disabled, so I do think this might be the culprit: I'm not actually sure why it's needed (I think it might be for some plug-ins that need to know exact MBT setting at all times - eg. drum synths playing patterns - but I don't know for sure); I have no obvious problems with any plug-ins when it's disabled.
2015/11/02 20:39:48
Susan G
KPerry
I definitely get a glitch like you when I enable "Set Now Time With Full Restart" and it disappears when it's disabled, so I do think this might be the culprit: I'm not actually sure why it's needed (I think it might be for some plug-ins that need to know exact MBT setting at all times - eg. drum synths playing patterns - but I don't know for sure); I have no obvious problems with any plug-ins when it's disabled.


Hi Kevin-
 
Bingo! Unchecking that was all it took. I'm assuming having that checked isn't the default, but I have no memory of having checked it. At any rate, that was it. Thank you, thank you!
 
@Beepster-I'll keep what you said in mind for the future, but this project consisted of just 9 audio clips in 9 separate tracks and was just 2:30 long. There wasn't any comping involved.
 
Thanks for everyone's input on this. I'll mark it solved.
 
-Susan
 
 
2015/11/03 01:49:13
KPerry
I have a sneaking suspicion it might be the default (I think it's per project, so maybe with just some templates SONAR ships with?). It probably shouldn't be if it is, as it would give a new user a bad experience!
2015/11/03 09:02:23
Doktor Avalanche
I learn something new every day..

"If you prefer a slight hiccup instead of hearing the full note duration, you can change the default behavior with the Set Now Time with Full Restart option in the Track view Options menu."

http://www.cakewalk.com/D...;help=Playback.02.html

Clearly somebody somewhere prefers hiccups..
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