Audio feedback (also known as acoustic feedback, simply asfeedback, or the Larsen effect) is a special kind of positive feedbackwhich occurs when a sound loop exists between an audio input (for example, a microphone or guitar pickup) and an audio output (for example, a loudspeaker).
 
Audio feedback - Wikipedia,  
 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6NQvXSizg

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And it was announced that it would be possible ( in pre-release description of track-to-track routing there was something about cool feedback effects).

I highly doubt there was ever any announcement that it would be possible to create feedback loops. Not creating feedback loops was part of the design spec that was baked months ago.
 

I can't say exactly right now, but there were some words about "interesting effects" or something like this, and there no other way to interpreter it, because this routing can't add any new effects without feedback loops, nothing that you couldn't do earlier.
 

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But, that's why external inserts exist - so those who want to pursue unusual "corner cases" that few others pursue have the ability to do so. As John correctly (IMHO) states, "It's not something you'd generally use in most of your mixing, but hey. Flexibility allows for interesting fringe cases." That flexibility is available for those who want it. I've taken advantage of it, but maybe only one or two times in the past five years. Still, when I needed it, I could do it.

Ok, we have discussed it earlier ( it is interesting that the week after that long discussion new routing possibilities have been announced). My argument was that your way introduce latency.

John, I can't understand what do you want to say. People use feedback in music for hundreds years, and nobody die (well maybe few guys actually died because of it, I don't know really). Have you ever seen guitarist shaking guitar in front of his cabinet?

And again, auto-mute solves all possible problems. In fact, it would be cool to add auto-mute feature and without feedback loops, because there are hundreds way to achieve uncontrollable audio levels.

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John, I can't understand what do you want to say. People use feedback in music for hundreds years, and nobody die (well maybe few guys actually died because of it, I don't know really). Have you ever seen guitarist shaking guitar in front of his cabinet?

Its feedback but its not a feedback loop. What I have in the post above from wikipedia is about a feedback loop. When you guys talk about using feedback in a delay it has been limited and controlled. Feedback loops are not that. If a guitar player uses feedback as many do its controlled. 

Here y'all go...

John

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John, I can't understand what do you want to say. People use feedback in music for hundreds years, and nobody die (well maybe few guys actually died because of it, I don't know really). Have you ever seen guitarist shaking guitar in front of his cabinet?

Its feedback but its not a feedback loop. What I have in the post above from wikipedia is about a feedback loop. When you guys talk about using feedback in a delay it has been limited and controlled. Feedback loops are not that. If a guitar player uses feedback as many do its controlled. 

Feedback and feedback loop is the same thing. Loop in the routing creates feedback, that is why it is called feedback loop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback . And nobody says that you shouldn't control it. It must be controlled by track settings, plug-ins and so on.

Nobody is saying that what Sonar currently provides is problematic. I'm saying that having the option to get a waveform of the click track (as provided by other DAWs) would be useful.

Man, you have to change the defensive attitude. Really. Sonar is great and the monthly updates are truly great. But it seems that any suggestion for improvements outside your comfort zone is met with all sorts of irrational replies, misrepresentations and disparaging remarks. Relax - Sonar is doing great, but there is always room for Improvement!

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People use feedback in music for hundreds years, and nobody die (well maybe few guys actually died because of it, I don't know really).

This is my favorite thing that I've read online this month.