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  • Major "Jamaica Plain" SONAR Update Now in the Cakewalk Command Center! (p.21)
2015/10/20 13:36:09
drewfx1
Anderton 
I don't think anyone said it couldn't be done. I think some people make a valid argument that a slip of the mouse or a careless assignment could give a speaker-shattering blast of sound.
 



Just to make something clear here for anyone who might have misconceptions - in the case of digital feedback what you get is complete clipping at 0dB not a high pitched squeal. Which (sadly) means that in today's hypercompressed world for many people it isn't really much worse than their "normal" blast of sound. So you get really horrible, extreme worst-case-possible clipping, but not an ear piercing squeal. It's potentially loud but otherwise not "dangerous" and if you have a limiter either in the loop or between the clipping and your output you can get protection from that too.
 
But there does need to be some delay from a coding perspective - for instance Reaktor automatically inserts a single sample of delay when you create a feedback loop to prevent continually operating on the same sample. So if you're processing things in buffers, that's why you'd need at least one buffer of delay.
 
Personally I'd prefer it be optionally available if feasible, even it inserted a buffer of delay.
2015/10/20 13:46:54
Bristol_Jonesey
portesham
Stop teasing me guys.................how come I can't download this yet??


Have you tried what was suggested and logging out/in to the CCC?
 
I downloaded last night without issue
2015/10/20 13:55:06
xbitz
bvideo
msorrels
Will patch points work with MIDI tracks?  Doesn't look like it, but I really would love to be able to send one MIDI track to multiple soft synths.  And combine MIDI tracks without having to use a MIDI loopback device.  If not now, perhaps in the future?
 
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Yes, this ^ will be very nice!



can be emulate with some MIDI dumper (an instrument which only routes the in MIDIs to its output) I'm using MUX for this ( and MIDI processing plugins from https://code.google.com/p/pizmidi/ in it), MIDI CC modulation signals can be looped back from its own fx track to its input (and its out) so MIDI Shaper also can be added to the MIDI router track as an fx unit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsfrVxlBxZc

an official support would be nice ofc. with added MIDI plugins and modulators, and would be nice some automation patchpoint system to (as in FL Studio) too currently nearly impossible to make VST(i) modulations in Sonar due there is no common/group automation (as u can see in the video it's highly PITA) support in it

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chord track, J74 Progressive (Ableton Live Max chorder plugin) finally has standalone version http://fabriziopoce.com/progressive_se.html (only 10$) so its no super important anymore (for me :) )
2015/10/20 13:57:43
Anderton
BTW, you did the exact same thing in another thread where I mentioned how PreRoll Recording would be a very useful feature. The conversation took a bizarre twist when you tried to justify not having the feature by claiming that you needed to have coffee or eat a sandwich before recording (like any of that had anything to do with Pre-roll Recording).

 
I was going to let this drop, but that statement is so blatantly dishonest it demands a response. I said nothing of the sort, it was Irvin himself who added a comment (which I think many would consider, to use his words, “condescending” and “downright stupid”) about “eating a sandwich” in the thread he's referencing. The word “sandwich” appears only in his post and quotes of his post. “Coffee” does not appear in any of the thread’s posts.
 
(If anyone cares whether Irvin is telling the truth, please look over this thread. Then, judge for yourself who is being condescending while twisting the conversation in a bizarre direction with comments about eating sandwiches, and who is trying to provide a workaround that will accomplish almost everything Irvin wanted to accomplish.)
 
Given that kind of dishonesty, and the apparent inability to differentiate between a one-click operation and a click/drag/select operation (which had me trying to find out about something that doesn’t exist), there is no point in attempting a dialog nor is it worth taking the time to point out the multiple flaws in the rest of Irvin’s response.
 
As to anyone else reading this thread, please do not be misled by Irvin’s comments. I'm always looking for ways to improve SONAR. I will advocate for functions the community wants if I feel they would improve SONAR. I also make it clear when there’s something I don’t like (e.g., my complaints about the Start Screen and why I had disabled it, at least until the fixes in the latest update).
 
2015/10/20 14:56:10
yevster
Anderton
 I'm always looking for ways to improve SONAR.


More than "looking for", if the recent influx of new features, content, stability, and awesomeness is any indication.
2015/10/20 15:07:39
Anderton
PilotGav
One thing I've learned recently is that there's no "RIGHT" way to do many things in recording/mixing - or any other project for that matter.
 
I used to feel very overwhelmed as well. Until I thought to myself "I'll become a bit familiar with a couple of tools/processes at a time, but not feel obligated to use them - and sooner than later I'll come upon a scenario where these new tools/ideas may help and be able to recognize them in context, and THEN decide which method/tool/plugin/whatever I prefer".
 
Taking the pressure off myself AND the software/process ended up in me learning more than I ever have!
 



 
Very well said and excellent advice, even to veterans as they add new functions to their repertoires. 
2015/10/20 15:12:24
Anderton
Add speaking of adding new functions to your repertoire..."Five Reasons Why Patch Points Rock" is now posted in the Cakewalk Blog. You'll find five practical examples on how to use patch points: Signal Splitter, Signal Merger, "Reel" Vintage Flanging, "Whole Lotta Love" Vocal Echo, and Weird Science (a sound design-oriented tip). 
 
Of course if you have any questions about the applications, I'd be happy to answer them here.
 
 
 
2015/10/20 15:23:19
Brando
Anderton
Add speaking of adding new functions to your repertoire..."Five Reasons Why Patch Points Rock" is now posted in the Cakewalk Blog. You'll find five practical examples on how to use patch points: Signal Splitter, Signal Merger, "Reel" Vintage Flanging, "Whole Lotta Love" Vocal Echo, and Weird Science (a sound design-oriented tip). 
 
Of course if you have any questions about the applications, I'd be happy to answer them here.
 
 
 


This is a solid, solid release. Great job Cake! Big thanks to Craig for being such an invaluable part of the Sonar community. This is another great example - awesome.
 
 
2015/10/20 15:34:19
PilotGav
Anderton
PilotGav
One thing I've learned recently is that there's no "RIGHT" way to do many things in recording/mixing - or any other project for that matter.
 
I used to feel very overwhelmed as well. Until I thought to myself "I'll become a bit familiar with a couple of tools/processes at a time, but not feel obligated to use them - and sooner than later I'll come upon a scenario where these new tools/ideas may help and be able to recognize them in context, and THEN decide which method/tool/plugin/whatever I prefer".
 
Taking the pressure off myself AND the software/process ended up in me learning more than I ever have!
 



 
Very well said and excellent advice, even to veterans as they add new functions to their repertoires. 


:-D Praise from you is high praise indeed! Thank you!
2015/10/20 15:48:43
polarbear
Does anyone else see these updates and think "It would take me a lifetime to know what any of that means"? Haha. Sounds cool though!
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