I had a hard drive crash and had to resort to an application backup from last month. So I installed it straight from Gloucester, I've just tested it by playing back with a fairly complex project.. so far so good. Early days but looking good!

polarbear
Does anyone else see these updates and think "It would take me a lifetime to know what any of that means"? Haha. Sounds cool though!

Well it's taken me a lifetime, so no one else gets off easy  But seriously...Gavin's advice is on the money: Learn as you go along. This is one reason I like PDF and online documentation - if I'm fuzzy about how something works, I just search on the topic. In the process, I usually find out some other things I didn't know about.
 
In the espionage business there's a concept of "need to know." Think of learning SONAR similarly...when there's a "need to know," learn something new. Otherwise, just click the record button and make music.
 

You're blog is outstanding Craig. Thank you. Lots of neat things to digest.

Another cool application...I just figured out something that's very useful for my Loop Construction view escapades. Anything you play back from the Loop Construction window, including the results of any real-time edits, can be recorded via send to an Aux Track or a Patch Point. So for example with my "varispeed" technique, it's easy to record the results on a track, and then use SONAR's DSP time-stretching function to adjust length if needed. Also, with the "Audio Step Sequencer" in last Friday's "Tip of the Week" you can record multiple variations into multiple tracks.
 
Another application is that by using Aux Tracks you could build up a really massive bunch of detuned vocals (like unison mode on a synth) by changing the pitch slightly, recording a track, doing another pitch change, recording another track, etc. You wouldn't have to render/undo each time, or bounce the same clip to multiple tracks.
 
I have to admit, at first I saw only relatively limited uses for these additions to the Universal Routing Technology thang because I expected only track-to-track routing. I'm finding out the concept is much more universal than I anticipated. 

Matrix > VSTi > PatchPoint > Master doesn't working for me 


 
the VSTis generate out (as u can see) then ... working from the track clip, also working if I change the out of the VSTis(instrument track outs) from the patch point to the master directly, maybe I'm just tired gonna check tomorrow again 

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meh found can't send signal to Zebrify (VST with MIDI in just the track) and there is a MIDI note triggered filter on it, ignore the post ... or it can be a Matrix feature request

To be honest, as wild and above my level as it all sounds, I kind of can picture applications of using the Patch Point feature for some crazy ideas... Hmm... Now the question... Will I read and experiment enough to actually make use of it... :-) haha

Anderton

BTW, you did the exact same thing in another thread where I mentioned how PreRoll Recording would be a very useful feature. The conversation took a bizarre twist when you tried to justify not having the feature by claiming that you needed to have coffee or eat a sandwich before recording (like any of that had anything to do with Pre-roll Recording).

 
I was going to let this drop, but that statement is so blatantly dishonest it demands a response. I said nothing of the sort, it was Irvin himself who added a comment (which I think many would consider, to use his words, “condescending” and “downright stupid”) about “eating a sandwich” in the thread he's referencing. The word “sandwich” appears only in his post and quotes of his post. “Coffee” does not appear in any of the thread’s posts.
 
(If anyone cares whether Irvin is telling the truth, please look over this thread. Then, judge for yourself who is being condescending while twisting the conversation in a bizarre direction with comments about eating sandwiches, and who is trying to provide a workaround that will accomplish almost everything Irvin wanted to accomplish.)
 
Given that kind of dishonesty, and the apparent inability to differentiate between a one-click operation and a click/drag/select operation (which had me trying to find out about something that doesn’t exist), there is no point in attempting a dialog nor is it worth taking the time to point out the multiple flaws in the rest of Irvin’s response.
 
As to anyone else reading this thread, please do not be misled by Irvin’s comments. I'm always looking for ways to improve SONAR. I will advocate for functions the community wants if I feel they would improve SONAR. I also make it clear when there’s something I don’t like (e.g., my complaints about the Start Screen and why I had disabled it, at least until the fixes in the latest update).
 

 
Here's the exchange:
 
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The amount of time I need prior to recording changes...for vocals, it has to be long enough to get to the vocal booth, put on the headphones, and start listening. For guitar, I set it so there's enough time to hit the G FORCE button for touching up guitar tuning prior to the punch. In other cases I want a long section beforehand to get into the "groove."

 
I think you're mis-understanding what "Pre-roll" does or what it's used for. You only use it when actually recording, not during the time used for preparing to record (like putting headphones, getting to the vocal booth, eating a sandwich or hitting G FORCE buttons on a guitar - none of that has anything to do with the actual process of recording...lol...).  
 
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I have made bold the part where you claim that pre-roll has to be long enough to "get to the vocal booth, put on the headphones and start listening". 
 
As I replied, Pre-roll has nothing to do with that. And your childish attemps at riling "the masses" against me are just more of your silly and obtuse nature. Those who know what they are doing will see trhough your transparent lies. The rest are free to disagree. No harm done. 
 
You are the dishonest one - and you have been exposed. I have no respect for you.
 
 
 
 

Back on topic....


Still not liking the start screen sorry (disabled it again).


1) It truncates filenames. I have a filename "JAMM - Platinum Template Everything.cwt" which gets truncated in start screen "New from template" section as "JAMM - Platinum Temp... Everything.cwt". Yuck!! :)
 
2) It may be "faster" but it's still way too slow. Nothing like as fast as the one in X3. No comparison at all.
 
3) There is no "Recent templates" displayed, the history on the main menu above shows them (maybe it shouldn't?) so it is far more useful.

4) I just have to click on any item on the main menu above and it (annoyingly) disappears. I'm pretty sure it didn't do that with the previous intro menu way back in X3. The only time it needs to disappear is when a project is loaded, or the user closes it, or Sonar is quit. That's is that.
 
5) The notifications can't be deleted/cleared.

6) If I click on "Sonar Jamaica Plain Update now available" it goes to the Cakewalk website within itself!! It is then impossible to navigate back (bad UI design sorry)... Please do us a favour and start a separate browser instance, nobody really wants to read webpages inside the start screen!
 
Liking the rest of it...

Cheers..

Further thoughts with start screen... The UI really needs a rethink here. Having a scrolling "Windows 3.1" program manager desktop is just not optimal.

A) it should be in list form (like windows explorer detail view) so we can see the full filename (not truncated). Well it should at least be a view option. It's quick to read (for many) if each project has it's own row.

B) When we click on the three dots a popup with more detailed information is shown. That's not really optimal. Much better to do like (A) and have a dedicated preview pane to the right to show details.

C) It should be sortable (date as default, alphabetical, size, version of Sonar - etc).

D) The preview icons take up WAY too much screen real estate. They aren't really useful either. How are we supposed to recognise projects like this? Just make them smaller or replace them with a musical preview function perhaps.

E) Why have those small default project icons inside a large black box? That's ugly and makes the UI confusing. Also when I hover over them a small white box appears around the speaker (does not look good!)...
 
Sorry don't want to sound too harsh but it's the only way I can put it.
 
Thanks...

irvin

Anderton

BTW, you did the exact same thing in another thread where I mentioned how PreRoll Recording would be a very useful feature. The conversation took a bizarre twist when you tried to justify not having the feature by claiming that you needed to have coffee or eat a sandwich before recording (like any of that had anything to do with Pre-roll Recording).

 
I was going to let this drop, but that statement is so blatantly dishonest it demands a response. I said nothing of the sort, it was Irvin himself who added a comment (which I think many would consider, to use his words, “condescending” and “downright stupid”) about “eating a sandwich” in the thread he's referencing. The word “sandwich” appears only in his post and quotes of his post. “Coffee” does not appear in any of the thread’s posts.
 
(If anyone cares whether Irvin is telling the truth, please look over this thread. Then, judge for yourself who is being condescending while twisting the conversation in a bizarre direction with comments about eating sandwiches, and who is trying to provide a workaround that will accomplish almost everything Irvin wanted to accomplish.)
 
Given that kind of dishonesty, and the apparent inability to differentiate between a one-click operation and a click/drag/select operation (which had me trying to find out about something that doesn’t exist), there is no point in attempting a dialog nor is it worth taking the time to point out the multiple flaws in the rest of Irvin’s response.
 
As to anyone else reading this thread, please do not be misled by Irvin’s comments. I'm always looking for ways to improve SONAR. I will advocate for functions the community wants if I feel they would improve SONAR. I also make it clear when there’s something I don’t like (e.g., my complaints about the Start Screen and why I had disabled it, at least until the fixes in the latest update).
 

 
Here's the exchange:
 
********************* 
 

The amount of time I need prior to recording changes...for vocals, it has to be long enough to get to the vocal booth, put on the headphones, and start listening. For guitar, I set it so there's enough time to hit the G FORCE button for touching up guitar tuning prior to the punch. In other cases I want a long section beforehand to get into the "groove."

 
I think you're mis-understanding what "Pre-roll" does or what it's used for. You only use it when actually recording, not during the time used for preparing to record (like putting headphones, getting to the vocal booth, eating a sandwich or hitting G FORCE buttons on a guitar - none of that has anything to do with the actual process of recording...lol...).  
 
*********************
 
I have made bold the part where you claim that pre-roll has to be long enough to "get to the vocal booth, put on the headphones and start listening". 
 
As I replied, Pre-roll has nothing to do with that. And your childish attemps at riling "the masses" against me are just more of your silly and obtuse nature. Those who know what they are doing will see trhough your transparent lies. The rest are free to disagree. No harm done. 
 
You are the dishonest one - and you have been exposed. I have no respect for you.
 
 
 
 
 

LOL :) are u cclarry in disguise?