Anderton
Well you've piqued my curiosity...this sounds very bizarre. I don't have a EUCON setup, but will try with a different control surface later.
 
Out of curiosity, try this with a different template and see what happens. Also, see what happens if you enter automation data with the console's software fader. 

I have been using a template I created in Hopkinton
Just started building a new on in Jamaica Plain to see if that is the cause & also I will try automation on screen in the software to see if I can repro - I use physical faders to mix as I find that the best way to experiment & develop a sound for a track. The Mix snapshots features is something I really want to get into but these and other issues with the automation & Mix engine are hampering me from using it extensively.
 
thanks
 
Chuck

Synaptic
try to change automation modes on Artist Mix (Shift + Rec/Auto button next to Fader)
 

 
I guess this is a button specific to your control surface. The automation mode setting in SONAR is grayed out during playback. This doesn't excuse a crash, of course, but changing it is disallowed during playback so at best you would get no result if everything worked as expected.
 
Looking at your video, I think something must not be right between your control surface and SONAR. I'm not seeing any of these problems with my old Behringer BCF2000 (not touch-sensitive) using Mackie Control. I don't much use it any more, but I fired it up and Touch mode does not record in a section with no automation when I'm not moving the fader, and automation is playing back as expected immediately after it's written.

brundlefly

Synaptic
try to change automation modes on Artist Mix (Shift + Rec/Auto button next to Fader)
 

 
I guess this is a button specific to your control surface. The automation mode setting in SONAR is grayed out during playback. This doesn't excuse a crash, of course, but changing it is disallowed during playback so at best you would get no result if everything worked as expected.
 
Looking at your video, I think something must not be right between your control surface and SONAR. I'm not seeing any of these problems with my old Behringer BCF2000 (not touch-sensitive) using Mackie Control. I don't much use it any more, but I fired it up and Touch mode does not record in a section with no automation when I'm not moving the fader, and automation is playing back as expected immediately after it's written.

The automation mode button is pretty common but the crashing is not !! :-)
Within the software, you can enable automation on the fly while playing. So my thought is it should be able to do this from the surface ...
 
Chuck

I believe that this is not a new problem, as I have seen it mentioned before in these forums. I have experienced it myself with clip automation being ignored during playback in several different versions of Sonar. In fact it happened to me earlier this week (using X3). The problem disappeared after closing and re-opening the project. But I have only noticed it happening with clip automation though rather than track or bus automation. And it is never possible to replicate the problem.

Synaptic
Within the software, you can enable automation on the fly while playing. So my thought is it should be able to do this from the surface ...

 
Enable writing, yes, but not change write modes.
 

Hmmm...I searched on Euphonix Artist Mix Problems and there were a bunch of hits that involve connection problems, which sort of sounds like it might be the issue here. This one seemed like it might be relevant.

Anderton
Hmmm...I searched on Euphonix Artist Mix Problems and there were a bunch of hits that involve connection problems, which sort of sounds like it might be the issue here. This one seemed like it might be relevant.

Thanks Craig,
There were some connection issues ( particularly on Mac) a while ago but the current SW is very stable & I have no dropouts or lags.
The issue, I think, is that the EUCON support in Sonar hasn't been updated in a long time.
The core functions work fine but you have to tiptoe around some of the issues ( such as enabling automation from the device) I raised a bunch of issues in this thread over in the HW forum; no replies so far !
 
I mix a lot and find faders invaluable so having touch sensitive & responsive controls is a must - I can't go back to MIDI/HUI/Mackie Control or mouse only .
 
Apart from the HW issues, there are automation features that need some additional work if Sonar is to get to the level of mixing in Cubase, Pro Tools etc. It may be me, but I can't find a way to globally change the automation mode (say from Touch to latch); it seems it can only be done track by track [and control+mode change in the track properties of inspector doesn't change all others]
I can't find a way to create global exclusions or safe modes of automation - ie don't automate plug ins when I modify them but do automate volume. When you are automating on screen, this isn't so much of an issue but when you are on a control surface it's really critical to not touch some control by accident and then automate it.
THese are the things I am trying to find in the SW but most of the tutorials seem fairly superficial on the mixing and automation detail - If there are some better sources/videos please let me know.
 
Chuck
 

brundlefly

Synaptic
Within the software, you can enable automation on the fly while playing. So my thought is it should be able to do this from the surface ...

 Enable writing, yes, but not change write modes.
 

Totally - the Modes are greyed out as soon as the engine plays, and that's what i expect.

I'm having similar issues with automating bus volume right now and I'm using 8.5.  Sometimes the change is read and heard and other times it's not.  These are old tracks that I'm mixing and it's possible I originally recorded them in Sonar 5 or 6...I have no idea if this would cause issues.  I also notice there is a little squiggly line above the fader in the bus that is not normally there when I have bus envelopes.
 
...not trying to hijack the thread.