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2015/10/03 14:45:12
Anderton
jackson white
A persistent view that tracks active track/bus selection.



Wouldn't that be the Inspector?
2015/10/03 19:22:24
twelvetone
QuadCurve EQ Demystified
http://blog.cakewalk.com/quadcurve-eq-demystified/
 
But why is it mystified in the first place?
I have no time for this nonsense. Just name them by what they do.
 
Hybrid and Pure, OK, I guess I can easily see the difference.
 
But
 
E-type? Isn't that a car?
G-type? Isn't that a spot?
2015/10/03 19:31:28
Anderton
twelvetone
Just tell us what the settings do.



Or better yet, hear what the different settings do.
 
But, this is the complication with emulations of particular consoles like the SSL E and G series. They had a particular character that made them interesting, but doesn't lend itself to easy explanations. In particular, with analog EQs there was always interaction among settings.
 
In general, you have to work backwards from what you need - in other words, analyze what you need from the EQ, then match that with the particular curve. For example - "I have drums where I need to tame the tom resonances with reasonably sharp notches, but also need to give gentle high and low end lifts." The hybrid would (in theory) be useful for that. OTOH if the issue is "I need to do general tone shaping that's nice and broad," the Pure would probably work best.
2015/10/03 19:36:21
twelvetone
...and whilst we're about it, can someone once and for all explain what the Gloss button does? In normal, technically understandable terms?
 
I can't hear any difference.
2015/10/03 19:39:55
twelvetone
 
>>Or better yet, hear what the different settings do.
 
That's precisely the point.
 
In this thread ...
 
How Many Here Truly Understand the Difference Among the QuadCurve EQ Types...
http://forum.cakewalk.com/How-Many-Here-Truly-Understand-the-Difference-Among-the-QuadCurve-EQ-Types-m3232088.aspx
 
...so many people responded expressing confusion and that they DON'T hear a difference.
 
>> with analog EQs there was always interaction among settings.
 
Yes, and this means the sound engineer had to readjust the other settings, just because (s)he adjusted this one. Interaction was a shortcoming of the analog electronics. It was not a desirable trait by any means. 
2015/10/04 04:10:07
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
jackson white
+1 for more bands. 8 total might be good enough, but not discounting the impact it might have on the UI controls. 

 
-1 for more bands. quad curve is like a channel strip EQ on a console, just consider ...
  • how many analog consoles come with more bands per channel?
  • not even new digital consoles come with more than that e.g. top seller X32 comes with LC plus 4 bands per channel (=Bark of Dog plus Quad Curve)
  • more bands would be a nightmare to use with current screen estate and of course would no longer work with existing control surfaces (as their plugins are no longer maintained)
  • when making some sound decisions already while recording (and not deferring everything to the mix phase), you can do a lot with 4 bands ... I know this is old school, but start to believe more and more in that ...
  • there is special EQ for special purposes; a channel strip EQ can't fit every purpose (e.g. mastering, or really precise surgical corrections like notching out digital hum, ...); everyone of us owns at least 5 other EQ plugins and it pays to get to know them really well ....
 
jackson white
+1 for >1 instance in PC. Would be more than OK with just 2.
 
Might be useful to save "EQ only presets" instead of full PC presets. This could apply to other CW PC modules.




that indeed might be good ... although it can be done by dragging any VST EQ onto the pro channel ... and personal experience so far is that if I need several EQs in the chain, they have different purpose and thus end up being different tools ...
2015/10/04 10:19:40
joel77

"Is Quad Curve an ultimate EQ ?"

 
To some users, I would guess, yes it is. But for others, we have and want and like several different EQs. Do we "need" other EQs? Well, there's the question.
 
I use the QC on every mix in one form or another. Mostly for surgical (fine tuning) adjustments. I really appreciate the spectrum analyzer being included. But I use many other EQs as well through out a mix.
 
Afrodrum
QC's 4 bands, Q range + HPass & LPass, beatiful GUI, seems perfectly enough for any task. Are you aware of any EQ plugin which job could not be done with QC ( or QC/Sonitus/team). I guess EQ is only supposed to cut or boost, if its coloring the sound then that's filtering or distortion, not eq'ing.



To my ears, different EQs sound different. Is that filtering or distortion? Is it just different EQ curves that could be emulated in the QC? Perhaps, but I doubt it. I like hardware emulations of different EQs. I like using the EQ section from a Neve 1073 or API 550 on vocals, for instance. Can I recreate that sound with the QC? Maybe, but I'd rather use the "real thing" than spend my time trying to make QC sound like a 1073.
 
Have I spent money on plugins I don't need or don't use? Absolutely!! But not on EQs. Both software and hardware. Same with compressors. Different tools for different jobs and all that ..... 
2015/10/04 10:36:38
David
QC  is a good eq , I also use others , It is a great eq to be included as a stock eq.
I would us the QC more if we could adjust the the Q with the scroll
wheel on the mouse . yes a pet peeve but work flow is huge :)
2015/10/04 10:45:10
Anderton
FreeFlyBertl
jackson white
+1 for more bands. 8 total might be good enough, but not discounting the impact it might have on the UI controls. 

 
-1 for more bands. quad curve is like a channel strip EQ on a console, just consider ...



You wouldn't need to have an 8-band EQ, you'd only need to be able to insert another EQ into the ProChannel. Meanwhile, I just send to a bus if I need 8 stages.
2015/10/04 10:52:03
Anderton
twelvetone
...and whilst we're about it, can someone once and for all explain what the Gloss button does? In normal, technically understandable terms?
 
I can't hear any difference.



You should have been able to hear a difference if you used noise for testing (as described in my Friday's Tip of the Week referenced earlier). The fact that you can't is concerning, because it implies a problem with your hearing in the 8 - 20 kHz range.
 
Here's a screen shot of white noise without and with Gloss. Gloss adds a subtle high-frequency lift that starts around 5 kHz, and becomes most prominent in the 8 to 20 kHz range.
 

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