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2015/10/18 14:01:18
vladasyn
Hey there
Finally I finished recording the vocals and finding the best parts that could path the criticism.
 
Now I have Male lead vocal track and Female backing vocals on 2 tracks pan hard Left and Right.
 
Female vocals (me) sound pretty bad (I am horrible singer, but I get the part because it is my project- lol).
 
This is what I need to address: I want to use Vocal sync to sync all parts with each other. Do I sync backing vocals to lead vocals or backing vocals between 2 tracks?
 
I was trying very hard to sing with the male vocal track and space phrases as the vocalist sings, but it does not match. More over- my doubled female backing tracks have horrible phase if I center both of them, this is why I pan them hard left and hard right.
 
When I pan backing vocals L+R, the phasing disappears and it almost synced between 2 tracks. Should I just sync one backing track to another or should I try to sync each backing track to male vocalist track? I am thinking- if I have slightly 2 different backing tracks, they may sync different to male vocal and create all kind of issues between each other. May be I should just synck backing tracks and leave male vocal track alone? What you think?
 
Thanks.
2015/10/18 14:41:16
Anderton
Hard to say without hearing the results, but typically you'd designate the male vocal as the guide track and sync the backing vocals to it.
2015/10/18 14:55:24
Doktor Avalanche
To the OP, so what happened about this thread? You disappeared...
Some feedback on that thread would be nice..
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Windows-10-new-audio-dropouts-m3299492.aspx
 
2015/10/18 16:15:15
vladasyn
Thank you for your replies
Doc, you said to research something- I dont know where AUD.ini file is located and how to delete it, so I am waiting when I will have time to research it. Still have dropouts. But this song had way too many tracks after I recorded hundred takes for each part on vocals. What is aud file?
 
Anderton, syncing it to male vocal would be hard because it is recorded on 5 different tracks- each part has it's track. I can not easily move all parts to one track because each track was constructed from different takes. We recorded many takes and I put the best takes together and deleted the unused takes, but good parts still located on different take lines. I know there must be a way to bounce it to single track? But I am learning by doing things, so I dont know how to make one track from 5 tracks with multiple takes lines.
 
My backing vocals I physically dragged from different takes to 2 audio tracks, so it would be easier to sync one track to another with the hope that it will take care of phase issue (also not so obvious when Pan L+R). It sounds like several people- I was hoping it would sound like one person. Originally I intended it to be a duo, but the male vocal was so much better than female- I had to pan L+R and turn down female vocal to make it sound like backing track. Also having doubled backing tracks makes it heavier and takes attention from music. It feels like the song is now overloaded on vocals. So the hope is- if I use Vocal sync, it would make backing vocal sound more like one person and not many. (It sounds like 70s disco song with bunch of females back up. My vocalist sounds like Elvis with chicks dancing on a background, but the song is actually about the War).
 
Any way. If I sync each track to male vocal, they may come out different to each other and sound even more like bunch of backup singers. Thanks for reading.
2015/10/18 16:18:49
Anderton
vladasyn
Anderton, syncing it to male vocal would be hard because it is recorded on 5 different tracks- each part has it's track. I can not easily move all parts to one track because each track was constructed from different takes.



Use Bounce to Track(s) for the male vocal parts to create a premix track, then VocalSync the various vocal clips to the premix. Be aware there are some tricks to using VocalSync, e.g., doing individual phrases works better than doing longer clips. 
2015/10/18 16:28:22
Anderton
vladasynI dont know where AUD.ini file is located and how to delete it, so I am waiting when I will have time to research it.



The default location for the AUD.INI file is C:\Users\[your name]\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum
 
Windows hides the folder so you may need to unhide hidden folders using the window's Organize > Folder and Search Options > View, and enable Hidden Folders.
 

2015/10/18 17:03:43
vladasyn
For now I cloned the backing vocals and will try both methods. Yeah, I thought, it may be better to sync small portions. But this time I did the full track and I hardly can tell if it made it much better. When it Pan Center, they have awful phase. It would also help if my voice did not vibrate off the pitch... Need to practice more, but I have a day job. lol. Wondering if Melodine would be in any help- never used it. It probably all another topic... I need something like "Quantize" for rhythm but for pitch. It is not audibly off pitch. It just some micro-deviation of the same note that causing dissonance and phase. When I pan them L+R, it disappears. I really can not tell if it got better or not when sync backings to each other.  
2015/10/18 17:15:29
vladasyn
Thank you for suggestion, I am looking now- bounce to track is not that simple operation. First of all- you have to select source. So when I select "Track" it gives me a list of all of my 100 tracks. And they all together highlighted in blue as if they were selected. If I click on individual track, it turns white. But does it mean that they all was selected and one now deselected, or this one IS selected and the once in blue not selected? Also my tracks now have effects, so I have to deselect effects if I dont want effects to get mixed in already...
2015/10/18 17:30:24
bvideo
Can the new Jamaica Plain aux track work as a guide track? So no need to bounce...
2015/10/18 17:53:45
Anderton
vladasyn
Thank you for suggestion, I am looking now- bounce to track is not that simple operation.

 
What you want to do is simple, look in the Help under "Bouncing Tracks." There are options that can allow for much more complicated operations but they don't really apply here. 
 
1. Select all the tracks you want to bounce by ctrl-clicking on their header track numbers (the numbers turn bright blue).
2. Choose Bounce to Tracks.
3. For Category, you DON'T want Tracks because that will bounce each track individually...which has its uses, but we can discuss that some other time. Select Entire Mix because you want a mix of the tracks, and check all the check marks if you want to include FX and such. However, you probably don't want FX because VocalSync will not be able to analyze a voice with chorus, delay, etc. since it won't know which is the "real" voice.
4. Click OK and a new track with the premix will be added at the end of the existing tracks.
 
 
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