I swear guys, I really am trying my damndoodlenest to get my head wrapped around automation in Sonar but any time I try to do anything I seem to hit a wall.
 
This time what I want to do is simply select an envelope shape I've created and copy/drag it down the timeline a few times (so essentially repeating the same automation action). It's a simple Clip Gain move to produce silence on a guitar track at some very breif moments where I stop playing. Gating would suck, Mute Tool won't give me the fades I want, deleting the silence or creating splits would wreck my perfect take/one clip set up (and I don't want to bounce it).
 
Of course I will do what I have to to make the effect I am going for happen but I would REALLY like to just do a Lasso or Range select of the nodes (and the shape of the lines) and copy drag them down the timeline (or paste them) into all the other spots where the silence occurs (and then maybe copy the entire envelope or at laeast that section to it's double track... it's a doubled rhythm guit part).
 
Copy Special does not seem to work because it refuses to allow me to only select the automation nodes (if I uncheck Events it auto uncheck the automation as well).
 
I've tried all sorts of the obvious stuff and been hunting around for a way to do this (to the point freaking Google gave me an "unusual traffic" block on my IP. F*ckers, that was a new one to me and very annoying).
 
Anyway, I of course have many other ways to do this or may just have to do each and every Gain drop by hand but on the off chance there IS a way to copy a bunch of nodes/an envelope shape and paste it elsewhere I would very much like to know. This is a simple enough shape (so doing it manually will be a pain but not a huge deal) but I could see me wanting to copy/drag more complex shapes in the future.
 
I'm hoping now with this new (awesome) implementation of the Track to Track routing stuff seemingly completed maybe the the Bakers can work on some automation improvements. This seems a lot harder than it needs to be.
 
Thanks for any input and sorry I haven't been around. I screwed up one of my fingers (which made it very painful to type let alone play guit) so I've been trying to let it heal.
 
Cheers.

Just make sure in Track View, options > Select Track Envelopes With Clkips" is checked.
 
Drag a clip and the envelope moves with it.

Bristol_Jonesey
Just make sure in Track View, options > Select Track Envelopes With Clkips" is checked.
 
Drag a clip and the envelope moves with it.

Hiya, Jonesey. That's the thing. I don't want the clip moving with it. Just the envelope nodes.
 
For this I was going for a manually created "gate" effect on a noisy guitar part. There were a series of brief stops that were too fast/delicate for a gate to deal with properly but I wanted absolute silence.
 
Want I was trying to do was just create the Clip Gain reduction on one of the stops then copy the nodes and drag move them down the clip to all the other stops.
 
I was doing this at the Clip level to make sure the Gain drop happened before it hit the track strip (and all the effects on it) while keeping my Track Gain free from envelope silliness (I may want to muck with it later and don't want to engage offset).
 
This may be possible in Track Automation Lanes... I don't think so though. I'll have to try I guess.
 
 
Cheers. Hope you been well, man.

Copy to an empty track, then slide, then copy back?

gswitz
Copy to an empty track, then slide, then copy back?

Hiya, Geoff. How you doin', bud?
 
I'm not following but maybe you've dealt with this before and are seeing something I ain't.
 
If I'm envisioning this correctly and you are working from the Copy/Paste envelope procedure I think that would probably replace the entire envelope (thus overiding the original set of nodes). If I could select a time range of the envelope in the blank track AND select a time range in the clip AND past it there (then I can just move the node set into place) that might work.
 
That's a lot of kerfutzing though.
 
If you check out this vid from Scott Garrigus over on his Digifreq site he shows the action I'm looking for without the "copy" part of the procedure.
 
http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/video.asp?ID=6
 
Essentially in that vid near the end he selects all the nodes of a particular shape he has created then drags it down the timeline.
 
If I could do THAT except with a "Copy" action involved (so that the original set of nodes remains in place and I'm dragging a copy of them all down the timeline) I'd be a happy Beep... at least for this scenario.
 
I've actually already performed all the edits I needed to manually (on this set of tracks) for now but I definitely see needing this again.
 
I'm kind of now yearning for some kind of Automation "Sandbox/Track/Pallette" or something where drawing and manipulating envelopes is a little easier then being able to point the envelopes to specific tracks/clips to print them to their target envelopes.
 
Anyway... just keep getting my brain beat in any time I muck with automation in Sonar. I think I took it for granted a lot of this stuff was possible. I am not sure any of the other programs do much better either. Maybe Bitwig but I sure as frack ain't fonna switch to that over this. lol
 
Cheers, man. I hope life is treating you well.

Oh... and this would have actually been one of those situations where being able to link envelopes would have useful since it was being done on doubled guitar tracks.
 
I may have some new workflow options for this kind of thing using the new Track to Track stuff being introduced but that would still be on a workaround level as far as I can tell from the eZine. Basically it would be the same as automation a bus but at least if I did it in one of the new aux tracks for doubles such as this I'm not going apeballs with WAY too many busses. Better but not ideal fer sure.
 
and of course being the anal weirdo I am that would mean the envelopes have to be a compromise between the two effected tracks as opposed to a linked envelopes to get the rough edits down then unlinking them to tweak the edits to really shape the envelopes to really make each track shine how I want.
 
I'm asking a lot of the program I know but this stuff would really help.

Try this.  Select area of nodes in track.  then Edit - Cut Special and select only automation unchecking all the other boxes.  Go back to original first location and hit Ctrl - V .  Then hit Ctrl - V at any locations you want that portion of the envelope.
Good luck.

Try this.  Select area of nodes in track.  then Edit - Cut Special and select only automation unchecking all the other boxes.  Go back to original first location and hit Ctrl - V .  Then hit Ctrl - V at any locations you want that portion of the envelope.
Good luck.

lorneyb2
Try this.  Select area of nodes in track.  then Edit - Cut Special and select only automation unchecking all the other boxes.  Go back to original first location and hit Ctrl - V .  Then hit Ctrl - V at any locations you want that portion of the envelope.
Good luck.

No dice. The entire Cut Special dialog is grayed out for some reason (I tried lasso select and individually selecting each node using Ctrl + Left Click > Edit (global) > Cut Special = Dialog options grayed out).
 
This does sound like it might work in an automation lane (track automation) but I'm in Clip Automation. I will be referencing this thread (and this technique) to see if it works in Lanes.
 
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Update:
 
Just checked actually and this does work in a proper Track Automation Lane. It's a little glitchy (I got some weird behavior) but it does work.
 
Sooo... it seems this is a Clip Automation limitation.
 
I also tried the "Select Nodes > Ctrl/Copy/Drag" thing in the track Auto. Lanes and that totally doesn't work.
 
Anyway, I guess I'll have to keep this in mind for similar needs in the future. Messes with my desired signal chain and is a serious piddle around but it works. I'll have to either use the Track Gain for this type of thing or insert a dummy/blank Prochannel module at the very top of the PC strip and automate the output.
 
Should be easier IMO but I'll take what I can get.
 
Thanks, dood.

I copy and paste envelopes between multiple tracks of guitar using the method I described above. I do this when I have two Mics in the same guitar.

Give it a try beep. It may be fiddly, but I can do it pretty quickly.

If you copy a section to a new track and then copy back only the envelope after having moved it, you should only override the part odd the envelope you aim for.