gswitz
I copy and paste envelopes between multiple tracks of guitar using the method I described above. I do this when I have two Mics in the same guitar.

Give it a try beep. It may be fiddly, but I can do it pretty quickly.

If you copy a section to a new track and then copy back only the envelope after having moved it, you should only override the part odd the envelope you aim for.

Are you using the Track Automation? I was trying to do this right on the clips (so it completely yanks all signal before it even reaches the track strip... kind of like deleting a clip section but without slicing up the clip).
 
Anyway... again it seems I'm just trying to force the program to do crap it isn't designed to do (yet).
 
I could have sworn we were able to copy sections of envelopes and toss them around like we can with clips sections but I guess not.
 
Thanks, man.

Make sure you have the edit filter set to the automation envelope  - not the clip itself - then lasso
the nodes you want and copy special just the automation. Then position the now time
where you want the nodes inserted and paste special into that track. This is working
for me, or are you trying to do something a little different?

peregrine
Make sure you have the edit filter set to the automation envelope  - not the clip itself - then lasso
the nodes you want and copy special just the automation. Then position the now time
where you want the nodes inserted and paste special into that track. This is working
for me, or are you trying to do something a little different?

Are you copying clip automation or track automation?
 
I think the Cut/Copy/Paste Special stuff ain't working because I'm dealing with clips. I was however hoping this could be done with mouse moves (avoiding the "Special" edit stuff which is of course a bunch of extra moves).
 
Thanks.

Beepster

Bristol_Jonesey
Just make sure in Track View, options > Select Track Envelopes With Clkips" is checked.
 
Drag a clip and the envelope moves with it.

Hiya, Jonesey. That's the thing. I don't want the clip moving with it. Just the envelope nodes.
 
For this I was going for a manually created "gate" effect on a noisy guitar part. There were a series of brief stops that were too fast/delicate for a gate to deal with properly but I wanted absolute silence.
 
Want I was trying to do was just create the Clip Gain reduction on one of the stops then copy the nodes and drag move them down the clip to all the other stops.
 
I was doing this at the Clip level to make sure the Gain drop happened before it hit the track strip (and all the effects on it) while keeping my Track Gain free from envelope silliness (I may want to muck with it later and don't want to engage offset).
 
This may be possible in Track Automation Lanes... I don't think so though. I'll have to try I guess.
 
 
Cheers. Hope you been well, man.

Well, just do what I said and delete the track contents after moving the  clip. Should work, I think.
 
Instead of shift + dragging, try ctrl + dragging to create a copy and delete the copied clip
 

Am I correct in concluding that this is one of the issues that could be solved handily by the new AUX track? Run the guitar tracks through a single AUX for gain management and duplicate the envelope in each location where you want the muted effect to take place.  This would assume that you could adjust all of the tracks in the same place, but I suppose there's no reason why you couldn't have subsets of the tracks in their own gain/AUX tracks...Dunno if this does it for you.

Beep, try this.
 
Maximise the track so you can see what you're doing.
Switch the Edit Filter over to track automation.
Manually create your first set of 4 nodes (Shift & Drag in the lower part of the waveform to highlight the bit you want gated, then move your cursor towards the top of the screen until it changes to an Up/Down arrow separated by a sort of capital "I" on it's side). Now just mouse the whole section down to where you want. God this is so much easier to do than to write!!!!
 
Now you can Edit > Copy Special and just check Track/Bus Automation
Then position your now time to the end of the next clip & paste. This just copies the segment of the envelope you just created without disturbing anything else.
 
I just did this in about 20 seconds

Hiya, Jonesey. I appreciate the input but that's all from the "Track Automation" level. This was about clip automation (but still kind of about automation envelopes in general within Sonar).
 
A lot of the Copy Special stuff and other tricks/workarounds for automation at the track level doesn't works on the Clip automation level (which I am discovering).
 
I've been doing this type of stuff at the clip level because it's a stage BEFORE it hits the track strip. Kind of like doing things on external gear before hitting a mixer. This allows me to keep the Gain knob on the strip free for overall adjustments (like a trim control for gain staging).
 
Now though with the new Aux tracks I may be able to cheat this a bit more. Essentially IF the Aux tracks have full Track functionality (including Prochannel and FX Bins and all that good stuff) then I can treat the Track (that contains the clips) as my "Clip/Virtual Outboard" gear the the "Aux" track as my "Mixing/In the Box" track.
 
So in this scenario my Clip Gain Automation gets done on the Track (instead of on the clip) and nothing else (unless I choose) then all the mixing stuff I'd usually do a track level (like Prochannel/FX Bin stuff) gets done on the Aux tracks. Then I can have my Busses still doing the summing and "glue" type effects.
 
Still does not solve my basic problems with automation and is a wicked roundabout way of doing things AND I'm not sure if it will even work yet (I don't have JP installed yet) but the extra stage could indeed be useful in this regard. I'd just have to make sure all my clips are edited beforehand (because they won't appear int he Aux tracks AFAIK). I'd also have to be diligent about hiding original tracks to keep the track strip count down... which would hide my clips making other things like setting my Now Time annoying but for straight up mixing it could be okay (or maybe the Aux tracks have a Waveform Preview which would help in that regard).
 
Meh.
 
 
Thanks. Giving me some ideas but definitely all workarounds.
 
Cheers, bud.