Paul P

joel77
GearSlutz has it's uses: they're just few and far between.

It's got the best forums for real to bedroom studio building, and acoustics in general.
 
 

I reckon John L Sayer's site is much more informative

"Unfortunately Sonar is not widely recognized as major daw.
And in fact it is not a major daw.
Sonar is oldschool niche enthusiastic marginal daw still."
 
HAHA.  That's not very scientific.  But who cares?

You can believe it or not, but in my early-DAW days I got Gearslutz & KVR mixed up (before I bookmarked), I couldn't believe how far one had gone egocentric in attitude.

Adq
And to change it Cakewalk should pay more to promote and advertise and to change its image completely, or make it so strong and attractive that mass of people would run and buy it.

Just fix Staff View and give Sonar away to every department of music in the country.
 
 

scottfa
Geesh, Mac "snobbery", no respect. Why do people just think the worst?

I stand by "There remains intense snobbery around the Mac and music." As I mentioned, I use both so I get to hang out with both sides. Mac users tend to live in a Mac-centric bubble. Even people at Apple thought that Garageband invented time-stretching for loops. The Mac is not only considered a "professional" machine, it is also a status symbol; when I show up with my MacBook Pro, a lot more heads turn than when I show up with my HP Elitebook. I usually do my seminars and keynotes with a Windows laptop because 1) it has VGA and Displayport, so it will work with just about anything; and 2) if anything happens to it, I can replace it easily. But when I set up, there's always someone who makes snarky comments because I'm not using a Mac.
 
Estimates place the Mac at around 55%-65% market share in music, compared to an estimated 7.5% for the general population (when Apple releases figures on October 27, we'll know for sure...but we do have a paradox that the Mac's market share is increasing despite a YOY decrease in sales, because PCs have decreased more). There are many reasons for the disparity, including the difficulty in setting up off-the-shelf PCs for music, but I believe a lot of it relates to the mystique and the brilliant industrial design. (I still think one of the most brilliant things Apple did was the power cable held in place with magnets.)
 
However, to be on the safe side Apple needs to do something other than rely on the gigantic success of the iPhone. Mac sales are slowing, the iPad is in decline, the watch hasn't gotten traction, and iTunes continues its slide although the jury's still out on Apple Music. Pro Tools, whose market share has driven a lot of Mac sales, is slipping although it seems Logic, as well as other cross-platform programs like Live, are taking up the slack. Meanwhile, Microsoft has bet the future of Windows that a free OS will cause people to do the equivalent of in-app purchases and thus keep up an income stream to Microsoft (unlike those using XP or 7, who haven't put a dime into Redmond in years). There are interesting times ahead...especially when you consider that in the world's second-largest economy, estimates are that 80% of the software is pirated. 
 
 
 
 

It doesn't matter to me but I'd be interested to know their reasoning. Maybe they did a quick analysis of DAW posts on their site and chose the most widely referenced. Perhaps, like Craig said it is about Windows/Mac- the only other major DAW missing is Samplitude which is Windows only too. 

Paul P
Just fix Staff View and give Sonar away to every department of music in the country.

 
They're using Macs, iPads, and Chromebooks 
 
Last stats I saw was that Apple had 50% of the education market, Microsoft about 28%, and Google had the rest. I'd love to hear from anyone who has updated figures for 2015.

backwoods
It doesn't matter to me but I'd be interested to know their reasoning. Maybe they did a quick analysis of DAW posts on their site and chose the most widely referenced. Perhaps, like Craig said it is about Windows/Mac- the only other major DAW missing is Samplitude which is Windows only too. 

And Mixcraft, which is also Windows-only. While some might not consider it a "major" DAW, it does respectable sales and has a substantial following.

Anderton
No point trying to compete with here, any SONAR forum they did would look bad by comparison. 
 

I think Craig's comment was in jest, but there's something to it. If I have a question relating only to Melodyne, I go to the Celemony forum; a Kontakt-only question, to the NI forum; etc., and, only if I get no joy there, then as a last resort, to a generalist site like KVR.  Face it, most of the real expertise is on the product-specific sites.  Some of the posts here by Craig and others are no-fluff, all-value.  Where else will you find that? If you're a Sonarian, this is the place for you.
 
Having said that, GS doesn't seem out-and-out anti-Sonar. I just skimmed through the last page (of 6, so comments going back to April)  of this post
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/953128-why-cakewalk-sonar-x3-not-more-user-hi-end-studio-project-6.html
 
and you get fans and detractors, roughly balanced. 
 

No respect from slutz? So what?