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2015/10/09 19:37:04
Paul P
John
I can see respecting talent but respecting a DAW. No. Its a tool like a hammer. It either works for you or it doesn't.



There are environments in which you can start a pretty lively discussion on who makes the best hammer
 
2015/10/09 19:50:41
yevster
Respect for the tool = $ invested into the tool. So it matters
 
One culprit is not the quantity but the quality of Cakewalk's marketing. It has always been lackluster.
 
Here's how Cakewalk markets its DAW: 

 
This is how Avid markets its DAW:

 
This is how Steinberg markets its DAW:

 
All three use celebrities, but two will actually attract audiences across all DAWs who want to learn, and one is just a celebrity ad.
 
2015/10/09 20:04:10
John T
John
I'm not sure what one expects. Is it that we want people to bow down when we mention the DAW we use?

I want people to bow before I've said anything. Just as soon as I walk in the room.
2015/10/09 20:06:54
lingyai
John T
John
I'm not sure what one expects. Is it that we want people to bow down when we mention the DAW we use?

I want people to bow before I've said anything. Just as soon as I walk in the room.




So *that's* why I've never seen you and Donald Trump photographed together ;-)
2015/10/09 20:08:54
John T
Adq
Ok, if it is not enough. People tend to teach each other, it is most efficient way to learn music software. So there are more themes to discuss if two people are using the same DAW.


I dunno about that. Keyboard shortcuts do not a producer, composer, engineer, or arranger make.
 
If you want to discuss software specific features, all DAWs have lively forums. Indeed, Sonar has one of the liveliest.

If you want to discuss the general processes and ideas of recording music, it doesn't matter what software you're using.
 
Basically, I can't see a problem here.
2015/10/09 20:14:02
John T
Paul P
John T
It's a shame OMF development petered out. There really should be a better standard for interchange. But I suppose it's hard to justify development costs on something that confers little or no market advantage.



I worked at the ISO level on interchange formats for office documents and their various types of content.  All major companies participated and it would have been easy for any one of them to have their products support the standards.  But these standards also petered out due mostly to one or two big 'classic' companies refusing to give up their proprietary hold on their customers.  They failed to realize that doing so would have been good for everyone, themselves included.  That was 25 years ago and the problem still hasn't been resolved.
 
Sad if it's also the case in the music/media industry.
 


Funnily enough, of all the projects from different DAWs I mention above, the one that had the most painless and useful OMF export was the ancient version of Cubase. I think it was Cubase SX or something. So going on for 15 years old in terms of that function.
 
The one that was absolute hell to sort out was coming from a recent version of Logic. So yeah, exactly as you say about "classic companies".
2015/10/09 20:16:21
Anderton
yevster
This is how Avid markets its DAW

 
It's branded Pensado's Place. Unless Pensado is part of Avid's marketing team, this is not how Avid markets its DAW. (Granted Avid is a sponsor along with several others, so it could be a "pay to play" situation.) 
 
This is how Steinberg markets its DAW

 
It's branded Future Music. I don't think Future Music is the marketing division for Steinberg...
 
Anyway, I actually found the Bluestone interview quite interesting, it's helpful to hear the viewpoints of other SONAR users who are into EDM...especially ones as successful as he is.
 
And Cakewalk has done tutorials in the past. This gives you not only a tutorial on mixing in SONAR, but the files needed to go through the tutorial and learn how to do by yourself instead of just watching someone else say how they do things.
 
2015/10/09 20:17:19
John T
Was just about to say the same thing.
2015/10/09 20:19:28
John T
I suppose you could argue that Avid and Steinberg do better out-reach to the audio geek media. That's not an unreasonable point. There is a wrinkle to this, though, in that, if I remember rightly, Roland took a chunk of Cakewalk marketing staff in the divorce settlement. It'll take time to build that back up.
 
2015/10/09 20:23:17
John T
Anderton
It's branded Pensado's Place. Unless Pensado is part of Avid's marketing team, this is not how Avid markets its DAW. (Granted Avid is a sponsor along with several others, so it could be a "pay to play" situation.) 
 

To be absolutely fair to Pensado, yes, they do brandish their sponsors all over the place, but if you watch his thing regularly, especially the Into The Lair segment, he will happily enthuse at length about anything he really thinks is great. Including even freebie plug-ins that couldn't possibly afford a kick-back that'd be worth his while. He's a businessman, of course, but I think he's also a fairly straight shooter.
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