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2015/10/15 16:27:35
John
When mixing as Dave was alluding to latency is unimportant. When tracking (recording) where you are monitoring the recording, latency can become an issue. Best advice is don't use plugins when recording. When done with doing the recording that is when one can use plugins. All plugins will introduce some latency. However many will introduce a lot for the reasons listed above in Dave's post. 
2015/10/15 17:18:44
micah_jude
John
When mixing as Dave was alluding to latency is unimportant. When tracking (recording) where you are monitoring the recording, latency can become an issue. Best advice is don't use plugins when recording. When done with doing the recording that is when one can use plugins. All plugins will introduce some latency. However many will introduce a lot for the reasons listed above in Dave's post. 


Thanks John for the reply. The strange thing is, i don't use plugins while recording or monitoring, this issue is coming up while trying to mix. For example, I have a project with dozens of tracks, all sounding fine and on time EXCEPT for my "overhead cymbals" track. This track plays back almost a whole second later than the others (which really kills a big break haha). This is the only track that had the PHA-979 plugin on it. When removing the plugin, it plays back fine and on time with the other tracks. So this is more than just simple latency that some plugins always introduce, this is literally throwing off my mix and timing completely. Some mixes i had to really rework the space entirely because of it.
2015/10/15 17:32:00
scook
Which plug-in format VST2 or VST3? If VST3 using the VST2 version.
2015/10/15 17:49:22
arlen2133
Micah, I know this may sound silly but have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the plug in?
 
Also, I noticed there was a new release back in June (2.2).  Is that the one you're running?
 
2015/10/15 18:22:38
micah_jude
scook
Which plug-in format VST2 or VST3? If VST3 using the VST2 version.


I believe I have the VST3 version installed. I think they offer it in VST or VST 3 ....not sure if they even have a VST2 version however. I will try that tonight as well and see what happens
2015/10/15 18:23:54
micah_jude
arlen2133
Micah, I know this may sound silly but have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the plug in?
 
Also, I noticed there was a new release back in June (2.2).  Is that the one you're running?
 


you know, it's funny you say that. I actually JUST got an email from Voxengo that they now have the 2.5 update available. I'll try updating to the 2.5 and install both VST and VST3 to see if that fixes it (fingers crossed).
2015/10/15 18:25:33
John
micah_jude
John
When mixing as Dave was alluding to latency is unimportant. When tracking (recording) where you are monitoring the recording, latency can become an issue. Best advice is don't use plugins when recording. When done with doing the recording that is when one can use plugins. All plugins will introduce some latency. However many will introduce a lot for the reasons listed above in Dave's post. 


Thanks John for the reply. The strange thing is, i don't use plugins while recording or monitoring, this issue is coming up while trying to mix. For example, I have a project with dozens of tracks, all sounding fine and on time EXCEPT for my "overhead cymbals" track. This track plays back almost a whole second later than the others (which really kills a big break haha). This is the only track that had the PHA-979 plugin on it. When removing the plugin, it plays back fine and on time with the other tracks. So this is more than just simple latency that some plugins always introduce, this is literally throwing off my mix and timing completely. Some mixes i had to really rework the space entirely because of it.


Thank you for responding.  I now have a much better understanding of what you are having trouble with. I agree with your conclusion about this screwing up any mixing you try to do. 
 
In this case I would try substituting Channel Tools for the offending plugin. It may do everything you need without the hassle.  
2015/10/15 18:29:11
scook
micah_jude
 
I believe I have the VST3 version installed. I think they offer it in VST or VST 3 ....not sure if they even have a VST2 version however. I will try that tonight as well and see what happens


The VST version is actually VST2. I believe the VST3 versions from Voxengo are relatively new. Might be worth testing.
 
 
Edit: I just saw the post about an update to a newer version. Sounds like a good idea.
 
2015/10/15 18:48:40
micah_jude
John
micah_jude
John
When mixing as Dave was alluding to latency is unimportant. When tracking (recording) where you are monitoring the recording, latency can become an issue. Best advice is don't use plugins when recording. When done with doing the recording that is when one can use plugins. All plugins will introduce some latency. However many will introduce a lot for the reasons listed above in Dave's post. 


Thanks John for the reply. The strange thing is, i don't use plugins while recording or monitoring, this issue is coming up while trying to mix. For example, I have a project with dozens of tracks, all sounding fine and on time EXCEPT for my "overhead cymbals" track. This track plays back almost a whole second later than the others (which really kills a big break haha). This is the only track that had the PHA-979 plugin on it. When removing the plugin, it plays back fine and on time with the other tracks. So this is more than just simple latency that some plugins always introduce, this is literally throwing off my mix and timing completely. Some mixes i had to really rework the space entirely because of it.


Thank you for responding.  I now have a much better understanding of what you are having trouble with. I agree with your conclusion about this screwing up any mixing you try to do. 
 
In this case I would try substituting Channel Tools for the offending plugin. It may do everything you need without the hassle.  




Just read up on channel tools....that might be perfect, why have I never seen this before??? geez. I will try that as an alternative to PHA-979 and see how turns out :)
2015/10/15 18:48:41
micah_jude
John
micah_jude
John
When mixing as Dave was alluding to latency is unimportant. When tracking (recording) where you are monitoring the recording, latency can become an issue. Best advice is don't use plugins when recording. When done with doing the recording that is when one can use plugins. All plugins will introduce some latency. However many will introduce a lot for the reasons listed above in Dave's post. 


Thanks John for the reply. The strange thing is, i don't use plugins while recording or monitoring, this issue is coming up while trying to mix. For example, I have a project with dozens of tracks, all sounding fine and on time EXCEPT for my "overhead cymbals" track. This track plays back almost a whole second later than the others (which really kills a big break haha). This is the only track that had the PHA-979 plugin on it. When removing the plugin, it plays back fine and on time with the other tracks. So this is more than just simple latency that some plugins always introduce, this is literally throwing off my mix and timing completely. Some mixes i had to really rework the space entirely because of it.


Thank you for responding.  I now have a much better understanding of what you are having trouble with. I agree with your conclusion about this screwing up any mixing you try to do. 
 
In this case I would try substituting Channel Tools for the offending plugin. It may do everything you need without the hassle.  




Just read up on channel tools....that might be perfect, why have I never seen this before??? geez. I will try that as an alternative to PHA-979 and see how turns out :)
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