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2015/09/20 08:15:36
lingyai
Did everyone get emails from Cakewalk announcing the update? I didn't (and yes I checked spam), although I'm a fully-paid up Platinum subscriber, and I know CW knows my email because I confirmed it with tech support by phone recently. I only heard about the update because I chanced to visit this forum. Seems subscribers should be notified, yeah?
2015/09/20 08:47:56
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Tom Riggs
For performance reasons I prefer to have the internet access for sonar blocked.
 
So if there is no interest from cake to "FIX" this I will just have to disable the start menu completely as it is not useful to me in it's current state.




Its obviously a bug and we'll fix it. The start screen is rendered outside of SONAR (for performance reasons) by a client side HTML component.  I'm not sure why it would care that there was a server connection - it could just be an oversight in the code.
2015/09/20 08:50:54
southpaw3473
I don't even use the start menu at all. I always have it disabled. When I click on the File dropdown it has all the latest projects listed and if I need to start a new one I just click "New".  Is there some advantage to the start menu I'm missing? I've been working this way in Sonar for about 8 years so the new start menu is a non-issure for me.
2015/09/20 09:35:20
MarioD
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
Its obviously a bug and we'll fix it. The start screen is rendered outside of SONAR (for performance reasons) by a client side HTML component.  I'm not sure why it would care that there was a server connection - it could just be an oversight in the code.


 
My start screen shows nothing when I am disconnected from the Internet but works just fine when I am on line.  However I am off line thus  the start screen doesn't show anything.  Will this be fixed also?
2015/09/20 12:28:03
Keni
southpaw3473
I don't even use the start menu at all. I always have it disabled. When I click on the File dropdown it has all the latest projects listed and if I need to start a new one I just click "New".  Is there some advantage to the start menu I'm missing? I've been working this way in Sonar for about 8 years so the new start menu is a non-issure for me.


I'm with you... It's easier for me to simply see a list with no pictures and select from current projects... I see no value to the start screen for me. I don't want to automatically check for updates or spend time trying to make screenshots that might identify a song...?

Am I missing something? What is the benefit?

As to the apostrophe issue? I wonder... If you disable the update testing feature for the start screen, does that affect the outcome?
2015/09/20 12:46:17
Paul P
lingyai
Did everyone get emails from Cakewalk announcing the update? I didn't (and yes I checked spam), although I'm a fully-paid up Platinum subscriber, and I know CW knows my email because I confirmed it with tech support by phone recently. I only heard about the update because I chanced to visit this forum. Seems subscribers should be notified, yeah?



Speaking as an outsider, I see the situation as being worse than this.  Judging by the amount of bugs introduced with each monthly update, I can't see someone accepting any updates without also participating fully in this forum to keep abreast of the new problems that accompany each one.
 
I also see that you can either spend your available time here in this forum keeping track of where Sonar is at right now, or spend your time making music.  I can't see doing both at the same time, especially since investing one's being in one works against investing in the other.  If I were using Sonar professionally, I couldn't take the chance of something breaking right in the middle of a project.  Some of you seem to being doing just that and it must be stressful.
 
The best solution seems to be to do something like a yearly update during which you learn all the new features and the new bugs and then go back to making music for another year.  Just like the old way of doing things.  The current way is just alpha and beta testing.  Nothing wrong with that, if it was presented as such.
 
EDIT:  I would like to add that for us regular forum participants all this is well known.  But think of a new hobbyist/musician/user who puchases SONAR.  I imagine many wouldn't even be aware that this forum exists, let alone the necessity to read it obsessively.  I've never participated in an MS Office forum but I use Word daily.  It doesn't change on me every month.
2015/09/20 13:57:43
Anderton
Paul P
The best solution seems to be to do something like a yearly update during which you learn all the new features and the new bugs and then go back to making music for another year.  Just like the old way of doing things.

 
You can do that with the present system; you choose when to update. The only potential difference is if you wait a year to update, more bugs will have been fixed because they would have been fixed shortly after their introduction, as opposed to being introduced all at once with a big update.
 
The current way is just alpha and beta testing.  Nothing wrong with that, if it was presented as such.

 
If you look at the bugs introduced each month and multiply by 12, I suspect you'd have about the same number of bugs introduced with a yearly update. However, bugs get fixed faster with the current model. What it really boils down to is whether you want immediate access to a feature like Drum Replacer or real-time synth recording, or are willing to wait for a period of time after it's introduced so that any bugs unearthed from heavy use are fixed. But, you have that choice, whereas you didn't before. 
 
I would like to add that for us regular forum participants all this is well known.  But think of a new hobbyist/musician/user who puchases SONAR.  I imagine many wouldn't even be aware that this forum exists, let alone the necessity to read it obsessively.

 
In theory, that's what the notifications option is about - to inform people of SONAR-specific things without requiring sending an email or going to the forum. But as to reading the forums obsessively, bear in mind that some of the issues found are a) pilot error or exposing a system incompatibility, and b) relevant only to specific situations. For example someone has posted that exports don't work post-Ipswich, yet I've done lots of exports, including the new multiple clips option, without problems. So reading the forum and finding out someone thinks there's a problem doesn't affect me.
 
A good example of a reproducible bug is the Arpeggiator not bouncing the arpeggiated notes. But I rarely use the arpeggiator, so by the time I do, it will probably be fixed. Meanwhile, there's the arpeggiator plug-in. Again, I wouldn't have known about this without reading the forum, but it wouldn't have mattered.
 
I don't think it's necessary to obsess about things. You download the update, you read about how to use the new features, done. If you encounter a deal-breaker problem, you roll back. Or, you just wait and update every few months or every year or whatever.
 
The new system is all about choices; if anyone wants the system to work as it did before, that's one of the choices. Perhaps Cakewalk's mistake in rolling out the membership thing was not offering only two options: get monthly updates, or buy a yearly version. That wouldn't have affected anything Cakewalk did, except that once a year they'd take the most recent download (which would contain all the features and bug fixes from the previous 12 months), give it a version number, and offer it for sale as "SONAR X4" or whatever. Basically it's the same thing as a current member downloading once a year instead of once a month, except that you'd pay at the end of the 12 months to get the updates that happened, instead of at the beginning to get the updates that will happen.
 
2015/09/20 17:53:04
Adq
I think this update system is very good. And definitely more rare updates would be much worse. The only thing I see that could be added is more intensive beta-testing, but it could be a problem from business and marketing point of view.
2015/09/20 18:07:25
Keni
Adq
I think this update system is very good. And definitely more rare updates would be much worse. The only thing I see that could be added is more intensive beta-testing, but it could be a problem from business and marketing point of view.



More beta testing translates to longer release times...

I don't code anymore, but from my experience there will always be unexpected issues regardless of how much testing is performed... I think they're doing a great job keeping up with things (all considered)... New features are quickly fixed even if the implementation isn't optimized yet... We really have it pretty good right now and I'm hoping it continues and builds!

Not to say that we don't each have our pet issues... So there's always room for "improvement"...

It feels like I've got a staff constantly fixing and upgrading my studio while I stay focused on the use of the studio. There have always been limitations to get beyond and I suspect there always will be...? I don't ever remember feeling any studio was finished... Just ready for use...

I gotta admit as an old man in the music field, I never dreamed recording and "album" creation would ever be this easy and widespread... The cost of a roll of recording tape alone made the process expensive beyond even the cost of gear...

Just a few of my thoughts on this...
2015/09/20 18:39:00
lingyai
PaulP -- I'm not saying I would neccessarily install an update withput reading these forums; on the contrary. I'm just saying it would be nice to get the emails other subscribers get.
 
 
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