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2015/09/28 09:30:08
fads
I am looking for the best way to set up a mix.
VOCALS
 I am sending all of the vocals to a Stereo bus called Vocals.  That would have all of the vocals, lead and background going to it.  That way I can control all of the vocals with that one overall fader. 
 
EFFECTS
I also have been making a Stereo bus for effects.  I have an FX chain Preset that I made that includes Reverb, Compressor, VC-64 Vintage channel, and an HF Exciter.  I am sending each vocal to the effects stereo bus.  On the Stereo Bus I am outputting it to the Vocal Bus. 
 
I am outputting the Vocal Bus to the Master.
 
This seems to work, but I am not sure this is the best or most common way to do it.
 
Any suggestions on how you all do it are most appreciated.  Perhaps there is a video that explains it.  I have been looking, but couldn't find anything specific for this.
 
Thanks
 
Thanks
 
 
2015/09/28 09:34:50
BobF
Craig posted a link to a best practices document a few days ago.  I downloaded but failed to bookmark.  Maybe he'll repost if he stumbles across this.
2015/09/28 09:37:40
fads
BobF
Craig posted a link to a best practices document a few days ago.  I downloaded but failed to bookmark.  Maybe he'll repost if he stumbles across this.




I'd love to see that.  In the meantime I will look for it.
Thanks
2015/09/28 09:40:07
Bristol_Jonesey
I agree in principle with what you're doing, but let's be clear on the terminology:
 
VOCALS
 I am sending all of the vocals to a Stereo bus called Vocals.  That would have all of the vocals, lead and background going to it.  That way I can control all of the vocals with that one overall fader.

 
Do you mean you're inserting a send on each of the vocal tracks or are you directing the track OUTPUT to the vocal bus?
 
This can and will make a HUGE difference.
 
I like to eliminate all ambiguity when talking about sends when it's really the track output that's being discussed.
2015/09/28 11:44:11
fads
Bristol_Jonesey
I agree in principle with what you're doing, but let's be clear on the terminology:
 
VOCALS
I am sending all of the vocals to a Stereo bus called Vocals.  That would have all of the vocals, lead and background going to it.  That way I can control all of the vocals with that one overall fader.

 
Do you mean you're inserting a send on each of the vocal tracks or are you directing the track OUTPUT to the vocal bus?
 
This can and will make a HUGE difference.
 
I like to eliminate all ambiguity when talking about sends when it's really the track output that's being discussed.


In answer to your question, I am directing the output of each of the vocal channels to the vocal bus that I set up.  I have a stereo send on each of the vocal channels going to an effects bus, and the effect bus is going to the vocal bus.  The vocal bus outputs to the Master out.  Is that the wrong way to do it? 
2015/09/28 11:46:05
Bristol_Jonesey
The only thing I would change would be the destination from your Fx buss - route that one to your master buss
2015/09/28 12:15:08
Zargg
Hi. I agree with the advice given so far. You could also make a bus for your backing vocals. Would be easier to separate the vocals from each other.
All the best.
2015/09/28 12:57:06
Adq
I find it's better to use mix buses and stem buses. For example separate buses for lead vocal, backs, vocal fxs go to Vocal stem bus and then to master. Separate buses for SD, HH, other drums go to Drums stem bus. And so on.
2015/09/28 13:07:52
Paul G
If I have vox specific FX, I route that bus to the Vox Sum bus.  That way, if I adjust the level of the Vox Sum I don't have to reset the FX levels. 
 
YMMV
2015/09/28 15:03:09
Razorwit
Hi fads,
One quick note: unless you're doing some kind of parallel processing, the VC-64, compressor, and probably HF Exciter likely should be insert FX as opposed to sends. Those are generally 100% wet effects so using a send is the wrong choice there unless you're doing something in parallel.
 
Dean
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