• SONAR
  • I will be digitizing some reels from the early 70s... (p.2)
2015/09/21 14:08:17
morganfm71
My friend, Jeff, used this company with great results. 
 
http://thinbrownline.com/
2015/09/21 14:22:31
scook
similar thread which contains site recommendations http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3243890
I found the http://www.sonicraft.com/ site very informative.
2015/09/22 08:02:50
jerrypettit
Thanks for the local (USA) recommendations.  I think I'll be going with a "full service", rather than trying to do any of this myself.
2015/09/22 08:43:23
fwrend
I'm curious as to what sampling rate is typically used to transfer tape - higher the better or is there a "sweet spot" when it comes to transfer quality and restoration?
2015/09/22 09:46:23
bitflipper
Baking tapes is itself dangerous, and may be unnecessary. It depends on how the tapes were stored and how high-quality they are. I'd try it on one reel first. Use a very low temperature and don't over-bake! "Baking" is a misnomer - what you're really doing is drying the tape. 
 
I've read 40-year-old (high-quality) tapes with only some loss of high end, with no preparation other than running the tape at the slowest available speed from end to end, turning it over and running it back at slow speed (rather than using the rewind function, which will stress and stretch - or even break - old tape). This will un-stick the tape from itself and remove moisture from between the layers. You'll want to do this whether you bake first or not. Yes, there will be a fair amount of oxide on the heads and capstan when you're done, so it'll require a thorough cleaning before you start the playback.
 
It's also worth taking the time to perform an azimuth adjustment before you get started. If you don't have instructions on hand for your deck, manuals for most machines can be found online. It's not difficult (just time-consuming), and although normally done with an oscilloscope it's possible to do it using SONAR by carefully turning the adjustment screw by quarter-turns and recording or observing signal strength and spectrum. You'll know when the azimuth is optimal because that position will yield the best signal strength.
 
Try to capture the entire tape on one pass. You want to minimize how many times it drags across the heads, rollers and capstan. Save a backup of that first capture in case you have to go back to it. Once you've got the whole thing in one digital file you can then cut it up and process it any way you like.
 
When I last did this, I did not have the benefit of a good audio editor and had to rely entirely on EQ to get the hiss under control. If I was doing it today, I'd use a good noise remover such as RX, Sound Forge or Adobe Audition. It's amazing how well such programs can work.
 
2015/09/22 10:21:05
Cactus Music
My approch would be if the actual recordings are priceless and must be salvaged then I'd take it to the best people I could find. 
 
If it was any recording of any band I ever played in  :)  
Then I would just try it my self for the fun of it all. 
You havn't said if you still have the same machine it was recorded on or not. That would make it pretty simple. What does it say on the box? early 70's might have been a 4 track I guess. unless this is large format tape? What is the tape format??,, we are all wondering...
 
 
I like Bits advice as that makes perfect sense to me to just make sure it's dry and run the tape slow in both directions first. Then just make sure the machine is clean and de magnitized etc and dump it at a proper level into Sonar. I'd use 48Hz. Save and store the full run originals away in a safe place and then start having fun with the tracks. 
2015/09/23 07:59:54
jerrypettit
I THINK it was just 2-track stereo reels, but not sure (maybe 4).  I've only recently located a child of my deceased bandmate, who found the reels at my request, and I won't have them in my possession for another week or so.
 
Meanwhile, I've been researching USA services for this.  I'm in Nebraska half-time and Virginia half-time.  I've found a place in Minnesota, Buffalo NY, Richmond VA.  If anyone here has a specific recommendation or does this themselves I'd be happy to do business.  (Some of the services are pretty "pricey"...)
2015/09/23 10:04:26
joel77
I've been reading this thread with interest. Thank for all the links. I've transferred many vinyl projects with much success, but I don't have the machines to transfer the tapes I have of family from many years ago.  
 
Great info here. Thanks all!
2015/09/23 10:17:59
Teds_Studio
I have "baked" tapes before using a cardboard box and a 100w light bulb.  Worked like a charm...but just don't go off and leave it, check it frequently to make sure nothing is getting too hot to be dangerous (just use a little common sense).  It worked like a charm for me.
 
edited to add:
 
Of course it has to be an incandescent bulb   :)
2015/09/23 10:51:08
Cactus Music
OK then for sure you'll be handing it over to someone else as I'm guessing you don't even have a tape machine on hand yourself. So once you get the tapes there would be little point buying a tape machine just for a one off project. Chances of finding a good working machine that matches the tape format are becoming harder each decade that passes. 
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