2015/09/05 21:49:27
backwoods
I agree Craig, and I really like the rolling release method. I have updated twice since release.
2015/09/05 22:20:55
williamcopper
Surprisingly good comments from several contributors.   I'm in the camp of sonar user since long ago, so it's comfortable to me, but I agree with many of the comments above:  monthly updates are too frequent, and the broken record comments: fix the problems don't introduce new 'features' with new problems.    For the next big Sonar move, hire a program manager with discipline: no more wild changes, some contractor adding something here, some contract programmer adding something there, some documentation team completely lost and resorting to adding endless links to other lost documentation.    There is really still a market.  Cubase, seems like the market leader, is still imperfect and hasn't caught up to the fact that modern monitors and tiny print don't work well together, and that 'logical editor' is perhaps too illogical for most ordinary users.   The soundforge model might be the best one: do what you do really really well and don't agonize over not doing other things.
2015/09/05 23:40:36
Vastman
It's kinda sad... I've spent time on other DAW forums... most are very poor compared to Cakes, which is by far the most vibrant... but the one thing I see everywhere is the same old TomHelvey post, the parting shot out the door.... "Moving On"...
 
Don't really get it... the need to blah blah blah... I like the Craig's perspective... different strokes for different folks... and they're all different.  Each DAW deserves respect and I think the nasty petty mememeism's are sad.
 
I may add a new daw someday, as I really would like better song arranging...but can't imagine pissing on the marvelous job the bakers are doing... nor ever dumping Sonar as it is pretty amazing and is wonderful to work within.  
 
Respect is sorely lacking in certain humans these days.  
2015/09/06 00:09:22
John T
What's CTRL+D meant to do that it doesn't do?
2015/09/06 00:22:32
webbs hill studio
John T
What's CTRL+D meant to do that it doesn't do?


ha-thought I was in the Coffee House by mistake there for a minute......
2015/09/06 00:34:06
lawajava
Vastman
It's kinda sad... I've spent time on other DAW forums... most are very poor compared to Cakes, which is by far the most vibrant... but the one thing I see everywhere is the same old TomHelvey post, the parting shot out the door.... "Moving On"...
 
Don't really get it... the need to blah blah blah... I like the Craig's perspective... different strokes for different folks... and they're all different.  Each DAW deserves respect and I think the nasty petty mememeism's are sad.
 
I may add a new daw someday, as I really would like better song arranging...but can't imagine pissing on the marvelous job the bakers are doing... nor ever dumping Sonar as it is pretty amazing and is wonderful to work within.  
 
Respect is sorely lacking in certain humans these days.  




I like your comment!  I was just marveling to myself the other day how cool Sonar is, and that there's so much available at my fingertips to get things done so conveniently. I would have been awe of what I can do now if I was sitting in my studio several years ago.  Useability and functionality have remarkably advanced, and to our advantage.  I can't see reason to complain. Just compliment.
2015/09/06 01:18:55
Adq
Monthly updates system is very good, even if updates are not so significant, and are full of bugs. Quarter updates will not change it. The only change will be that you will wait for bugs fixes 3 months instead of one.
2015/09/06 05:46:19
Sir Les
+Ah my friend Alex..?..I did not say Protools or any other work better than Sonar....I said that it works better on a Mac....and in my case with thunderbolt 2.
 
 
 
Right Alex?
2015/09/06 06:17:59
Sir Les
Anderton
I can pilot a session on any DAW, and have used all of them on a regular basis except for Reaper (although I have used it). 
 
Sometimes the grass truly is greener on the other side, but sometimes you get there and find out it's because someone spray-painted the grass green 





Now now...I can prove that not true...try using VST 3.5....any DAW?..lol
2015/09/06 06:57:04
Doktor Avalanche
Anderton
The reason Cakewalk structured updates the way they did is you can update quarterly if you like. Or if you want to be on the bleeding edge, you can update every month...or update one month if there's a feature you really like, then not do anything for another six months. Or jump off for a year and come back in again later.

 
Windows 10 update comes with a slow ring and an insider programme. You decide if you want to be fast and bleeding edge or slow and stable. You have a choice. With Sonar seems every month we are on a bleeding edge updates, and sure we don't have to update.
 
I think it's fairly safe to assume that this month the start screen was rushed out the door half baked, worse still it is the first thing that happens when you start Sonar. It's a first impression thing. Sure you can switch it off, but here is the thing:
 
a) This gives a first impression for people running demo's who might buy Sonar.
b) I would suggest that the customer expectation in general is that each monthly release should be stable, esp in a DAW environment.
c) The start screen was more of less the only thing this month.
d) The perception is features will be rushed out the door every month come what may.
e) Every month we are left wondering when and if Cakewalk will fix regression issues quickly or not.
 
Now if there was a fast ring and a slow ring much like windows 10 update, maybe customer expectations could be managed. Of course a customer can hold back, but if beta code is introduced upon each release they are left with a choice of evils every month.
 
So far Cakewalk have done a brilliant job management our expectations in the forums, but this month there's has not been much communication (e.g. little acknowledgement with start screen issues). And this is understandable as it's clear they are extremely busy working on those audio enhancements, but I would not say it is ideal.
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