2015/09/07 00:10:40
Adq
ampfixer
I've doubled down on Sonar so I'm not leaving. There will be a huge number (relatively speaking) of folks that will have their annual membership end in January 2016. I expect that some cool stuff will be delivered in late December to encourage people to re-up.

More likely in February. Or it will be introduced in December, but will not be fully working until February.
And you won't be able to extend subscription for a month to take it, only for the whole year.
2015/09/07 07:11:09
pwalpwal
DRanck
sure, but if they'd been "batched up" for a yearly release, the bugs showing up monthly surely would have been found "in house" before users got/discovered them?

 
I've worked in software development for 25 years and small releases are much easier to handle in regards to testing. When they test a monthly release, they have a relatively small number of things to test. A major release requires a correspondingly major testing effort in conjunction with full regression testing.

sure, but has there been a new feature yet that wasn't a bit buggy? which kind of implies that the new easier-to-handle internal testing still needs some love :-)
2015/09/07 07:22:36
Doktor Avalanche
DRanck
sure, but if they'd been "batched up" for a yearly release, the bugs showing up monthly surely would have been found "in house" before users got/discovered them?

 
I've worked in software development for 25 years and small releases are much easier to handle in regards to testing. When they test a monthly release, they have a relatively small number of things to test. A major release requires a correspondingly major testing effort in conjunction with full regression testing.

 
pwalpwal
sure, but has there been a new feature yet that wasn't a bit buggy? which kind of implies that the new easier-to-handle internal testing still needs some love :-)



Bit buggy I can handle, and it's understandable, regression fixes will come as it's just a few fixes.
A lot buggy nope. The start screen is a lot buggy (almost of the lines of Rapture Pro) and worse may take a while to patch up. Should never have been released in that state, yup we can disable it (thank gawd) but it should not have gone out that way in the first place, bad for rep.

Cheers..
2015/09/07 08:00:17
John
I really didn't want to get into this thread but I am compelled because it has been stated that CW's updates are buggy. I do not believe that to be true.
 
Lets list what CW has released 
 
VocalSync
REmatrix Solo
The New Control Bar Somewhat buggy but not a show stopper
Mix Recall
Pattern Tool
Onscreen Virtual Controller
Output Routing Recall
Audio Import/Export Improvements
VocalSync - Noise Filter
New MIDI Engine
Better Drum Maps
Mix Recall 
Synth Rack Control
Drum Replacer
Improved ARA Support
Plug-In Upsampling
Windows 10 Compatibility
Relative Video Path
Start Screen
 
I don't know why its so easy to toss out the word buggy when to my memory only one feature was truly buggy and even that was minor.
2015/09/07 08:24:25
Doktor Avalanche
John
I really didn't want to get into this thread but I am compelled because it has been stated that CW's updates are buggy. I do not believe that to be true.
 
Lets list what CW has released 
 
VocalSync
REmatrix Solo
The New Control Bar Somewhat buggy but not a show stopper
Mix Recall
Pattern Tool
Onscreen Virtual Controller
Output Routing Recall
Audio Import/Export Improvements
VocalSync - Noise Filter
New MIDI Engine
Better Drum Maps
Mix Recall 
Synth Rack Control
Drum Replacer
Improved ARA Support
Plug-In Upsampling
Windows 10 Compatibility
Relative Video Path
Start Screen
 
I don't know why its so easy to toss out the word buggy when to my memory only one feature was truly buggy and even that was minor.



I think it's unhelpful to exaggerate here, nobody has said everything Cakewalk does is buggy.
 
Let's not talk about Rapture Pro/Z3TA+2/Concrete Limiter. There are issues with CCC displaying the latest update upon load (has to be manually triggered in settings, even outside polling scope - for some they have to log out/log in again).


All updates you list above have had mostly understandable regression bugs which got fixed. Drum maps though had a few obvious issues that got through the net, however it was fixed quickly so all was fine and no doubt part of growing pains...

And that's the point... getting regression issues quickly fixed ... which Cakewalk having been doing pretty well so far. 
 
With start screen though (as I've stated earlier).
 
* No UTF support (unusable for foreign language characters).
* Internet slows startup (speed it up by blocking it in your firewall).
* Displays (hangs around) after you opens a project.
* Recent files shows a different order to the previous functionality.
* Wondering if lots of project files slows startup (no lazy loading) - TBC (so ignore this until confirmed).
 
This is a lot buggy IMHO and it should not have been released in this state. It may not have been such a big deal if this wasn't the only feature for the recent release, and yes we can at least switch it off, so I'll dust myself down and move on. Hopefully regression bugs will be fixed next month, and hopefully not too many people will download the demo this month either (as this will be the first thing they see). 
 
(EDITED FOR TYPO's SORRY)
2015/09/07 08:41:24
John
I don't see those bugs in the new start screen. N
 
Nor am I exaggerating. Posters are saying the releases are buggy. That is untrue.  I base this one the following statement. "sure, but has there been a new feature yet that wasn't a bit buggy? which kind of implies that the new easier-to-handle internal testing still needs some love :-)"
 
A bit buggy is buggy. Its like saying a bit pregnant. 
 
2015/09/07 08:48:00
Doktor Avalanche
John
Nor am I exaggerating. Posters are saying the releases are buggy. That is untrue.  I base this one the following statement. "sure, but has there been a new feature yet that wasn't a bit buggy? which kind of implies that the new easier-to-handle internal testing still needs some love :-)"
 
A bit buggy is buggy. Its like saying a bit pregnant. 

 
But he didn't say buggy did he? He said "a bit buggy".
 
All new code is generally a "bit buggy". I'd argue in most cases it was understandable and dealt with reasonably in the end.
 
John
I don't see those bugs in the new start screen.

 
Clearly and neither does Schrodinger, there have however been several posts and threads.
2015/09/07 10:09:49
jatoth
I think the monthly push for "new" is starting to wear a little thin.
Seriously? Who requested a new start screen? Also, the list of "fixes" was a bit lacking in this release.
Maybe too many bakers were off on vacation the last month or two to get any meaningful work done.
Lets hope the next couple of months are better.
2015/09/07 10:32:48
pwalpwal
blimey... i love this forum
 
2015/09/07 12:51:50
michael diemer
All of which continues to make me glad I stayed with 8.5.3.
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