I'm not sure why anyone wants to compare the two extensively.... I've just spent an evening tracking with Sonar 4PE and it met every need and was an absolute dream to use, couldn't be happier- unless I actually got to spend more time using it. Great platform and the best thing is, I've got two more nights ahead of me to use it some more!!

Sonar actually was transparent in the recording process and the audio quality was great. Very happy user here.

Big rah rah for Dave Rich here too... he's spot on about the distribution thing. Well said mate.

Cheers!

Another + for the ProTools guys(not the LE guys, which isn't "real" ProTools) is that the workload is shuffled off to hardware DSP.........

I know, I know......... native processing is.....blah, blah, blah......... It's very rare nowadays, that you'll find a true supporter of Native Processing, that isn't jumping on the UAD-1, TC Powercore bandwagon.

......... It's very rare nowadays, that you'll find a true supporter of Native Processing, that isn't jumping on the UAD-1, TC Powercore bandwagon.

That is because the UAD and PoCo sound awesome. I have yet to find any native plugins that sound equal to the UAD and PoCo plugs at the same price point. Plus you get the additional value of a dedicated DSP card to off load your plugs and free up your CPU. Most of the "Big Players" in audio are useing DSP cards....be it ProTools, UAD, PoCo, or CreamWare. I have 3 UAD-1 cards and they are essential to the way I work, my Waves plugs for the most part go unused, and they can just keep their upgrade "scam".....screw 'em !!

ORIGINAL: thunderkyss

Another + for the ProTools guys(not the LE guys, which isn't "real" ProTools) is that the workload is shuffled off to hardware DSP.........

I know, I know......... native processing is.....blah, blah, blah......... It's very rare nowadays, that you'll find a true supporter of Native Processing, that isn't jumping on the UAD-1, TC Powercore bandwagon.

I use a comination of external dsp (Lexicon 'verb), a UAD1 and also TDM plug ins. The only time I'll use a 'host' based plug in is when I don't own the dsp based version.

:)

Here's a thought...

For the sake of film/TV post production editing and most importantly, file transferring and compatability. Is there any logic in getting an M-Powered PT 7 setup to mix Sonar .wav files? In other words... compose using Sonar, mix using PT LE.

ORIGINAL: thunderkyss

Another + for the ProTools guys(not the LE guys, which isn't "real" ProTools) is that the workload is shuffled off to hardware DSP.........

I know, I know......... native processing is.....blah, blah, blah......... It's very rare nowadays, that you'll find a true supporter of Native Processing, that isn't jumping on the UAD-1, TC Powercore bandwagon.

If Sonar would come out with a proprietary, omni accessible, integrated studio console, with a couple of firewire options, they would attract some of the loyal pro-tool heads as well...I certainly would like to see a SONAR Control in the not too distant future...People love BIG consoles and studio gadgets, ans wouldn't be as scared to play with iot on a studio level...After all, Arent they dealing with edirol?...

I love ****s like you who presume ive done the test in a completely biased manner and spend an hour tying to convince others of it.

I didn't presume anything, I pointed out a few things that might have made one app shine over the other.

Here's exactly what you said:

I recently did a raw sum comparison with Sonar 5 and Pt 6.9.
15 tracks all at unity gain and the results were much in the favour of Sonar5 with 64 bit selected.

Thus, I was working with the information YOU gave us. You mentioned nothing about Calibration techniques, you mention nothing about if you used stereo or mono tracks. Then you go on to say "Placebo= no way", and further mention that you "HATE" Digidesign. You pretty much lost any credibility of having a non biased opinion at this point even if you did go thru the pains to make sure everything was equal. Obviously, you're too much of a ***b F*** to realize that, Mr. I hate Digidesign yet have a non biased opinion.

ORIGINAL: Jonny Mumra

ORIGINAL: eikelbijter

Because people are sheep!

Rico

Exactly.


I hate digidesign.

ORIGINAL: JWB

Here's a thought...

For the sake of film/TV post production editing and most importantly, file transferring and compatability. Is there any logic in getting an M-Powered PT 7 setup to mix Sonar .wav files? In other words... compose using Sonar, mix using PT LE.

actually, unless you're planning on also buying the DV kit as well, i don't believe the M-powered
version makes a lot of sense for film/tv production. you'll also likely run out of tracks... especially
for film .. they usually have *a lot* of audio tracks. as long as you're not sync'ing to external gear,
Sonar 4 and 5 do a good job in this regard.

if you also plan on doing video editing along with it, take a good look at Sony's Vegas. most people
suck the stuff back into their host system at the end .. so as long as you can give them either the
.wavs or the .ac3 .. they're usually fine with it.

jeff

ORIGINAL: thunderkyss

Another + for the ProTools guys(not the LE guys, which isn't "real" ProTools) is that the workload is shuffled off to hardware DSP.........

I know, I know......... native processing is.....blah, blah, blah......... It's very rare nowadays, that you'll find a true supporter of Native Processing, that isn't jumping on the UAD-1, TC Powercore bandwagon.

Just wondering... if the UAD or PowerCore effects were available in a native version, would you buy them that way, or continue to pay extra for the DSP card? Something tells me that with the ever-increasing power of DAW processors the PCI cards are actually functioning as glorified dongles nowadays.

I'd love to know which bit of protools sounds better than say, my RME fireface rig?

even a mbox
rme is made for homestudios and protools is the real thing