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  • [Posted Dec 2003] Why is Pro-tools the choice of most studio professionals not Sonar? (p.7)
2005/12/05 17:45:41
Guest
Nobody takes PTLE seriously.


Loser edition ;-)

hey david, have you tried 7 (yet)? wondering if you're having the same S5
ASIO wipe out i'm having..

jeff

ps: ASIO wipe has a familar ring to it .....
2005/12/05 18:54:55
davidchristopher

ORIGINAL: daverich

ORIGINAL: davidchristopher
Protools TDM is a HARDWARE solution. Sonar is not. Is that a fair comparison?


With the technology we have now I think it's a fairer comparison than it's ever been.

Kind regards

Dave Rich


Unless you bought your hardware from Cakewalk, then that's still not a comparison.

ORIGINAL: jmarkham

hey david, have you tried 7 (yet)? wondering if you're having the same S5
ASIO wipe out i'm having..



No, I'm still living in "MIX" land- I'm stuck at 6.4.1 until next year... or longer :)
I'm going to wait until their PCIx solution comes out and move over to Intel Macs.

I know it's possible because DP and Logic do it, but I'd LOVE for Sonar to be able to load it's mix engine into the TDM dsp, and use TDM (and RTAS) plugins natively.

That would TOTALLY rock...
2005/12/05 19:16:40
Guest
No, I'm still living in "MIX" land- I'm stuck at 6.4.1 until next year... or longer :)
I'm going to wait until their PCIx solution comes out and move over to Intel Macs.

I know it's possible because DP and Logic do it, but I'd LOVE for Sonar to be able to load it's mix engine into the TDM dsp, and use TDM (and RTAS) plugins natively.

That would TOTALLY rock...


wouldn't it now !!! .. please please!!! .. i'd pay a premium to use the hardware on not have
PT ;-)

jeff
2005/12/07 01:11:01
Zazkuash
AUDIO QUALITY: If you plug your chat mic behind your pc it sound worst worst worst woooorst than if you plug a U87 Neumann mic in a Focusrite Red equipment conected to an Apogee sytem conected to your PC recording both in SONAR5. AUDIO QUIALITY is EQUAL if you choose hardware equipment with quality,in cases could be better
If Sonar would come out with a proprietary, omni accessible, integrated studio console, with a couple of firewire options, they would attract some of the loyal pro-tool heads as well...I certainly would like to see a SONAR Control in the not too distant future...People love BIG consoles and studio gadgets, ans wouldn't be as scared to play with iot on a studio level...After all, Arent they dealing with edirol?...


Is my dream too, combined with CAKEWALK DSP cards.In this way we dont have to try diffrent DAW configurations, with a lot of audio cards, and choose what DSP card will work in your specific DAW.Thats why if a professional have 500 000 dlls prefer to go with Protools HD, because in his website they tell you wich hardware is compatible, or easier with a Mac (i dont like macs)
2006/03/07 07:56:50
ustudio
If Sonar would come out with a proprietary, omni accessible, integrated studio console, with a couple of firewire options, they would attract some of the loyal pro-tool heads as well...I certainly would like to see a SONAR Control in the not too distant future...People love BIG consoles and studio gadgets, ans wouldn't be as scared to play with iot on a studio level...After all, Arent they dealing with edirol?...


i feel you, I dont care if its edirol or not but there should be some marriages, euphonix's, rme, uad doesnt really matter , any hardware daw products company with respect, mackie maybe, just not peavey, I still cant imagine why there arent more feom roland and cakes marriage,
2006/03/07 09:06:46
Noah330
Digidesign was the first company to market a DAW that was stable. There are still a lot of the SDII and 442 systems around being used for voiceover work.

To suggest that Digidesign gives away tons of free stuff is not really accurate. All of the DAW companies provide partners with NFR copies of software. I get software on a semi-weekly basis from many companies.

Today, most DAWs are very capable of producing commercial cds. This was not the case 12 or 13 years ago. If you look back to early versions of software and compare what Digi was doing back then it's easy to see why they were able to gain a stronghold in the market. Once something has market share, they're pretty much set as long as they provide good support and continue to make a good product.

In 1995, most engineers started learning ProTools and (just like many people here got into Sonar a few years ago) now they're used to it. If you buy plugs or interfaces you know things are going to work becasue they're digi approved. You don't have the guesswork of choosing a motherboard, video card, etc... Just get a G5 and go.

To the guy that says most HD systems are now running on PC - you're wrong. Maybe you have seen HD PC systems, but Digi and Apple have worked together for years and while it is possible to run a good HD system on XP, if you buy HD chances are you buy a Mac.

ProTools interfaces with Avid products so perfectly. This is another reason PT is not going to lose pro market share. How many cds today come with a dvd that shows the record being made or some extra stuff? One of the big reasons this is done is because it's so friggin easy to take the ProTools session and throw it into an Avid system with the video. Production costs are pretty low and it makes people more likely to buy a cd rather than kaza it becasue of the extra features and it also makes the record company more money. This is one thing I have begun to explore getting into in my own studio and it will be a very simple process - all you need is PT or Nuendo and a couple video cameras.

All the talk about Cakewalk not having integrated hardware is interesting. Everytime they have tried this it has failed (remember the Peavey partnership?). Nuendo and Yamaha are the only company out there that is seriously poised to give Digi a run for their money.

I would LOVE to see Sonar make a video version with the kind of functionality that a Nuendo or PT has. I don't know if those features are worth adding when you consider that many people who use Sonar are not interested in video post work.
2006/03/07 09:20:02
stratcat33511
I don't know why.
I Don't care, really.

SONAR does what I want.

SONAR works with what I have with very little muss and fuss ( and money )
AND I'm not going to waste thousands more to find out about ProTools.

Make do with what you have
Make music - stop the insanity.


2006/03/07 09:24:07
tarsier
ORIGINAL: Noah330
Digidesign was the first company to market a DAW that was stable. There are still a lot of the SDII and 442 systems around being used for voiceover work.

No. Digidesign was cheap, that's how they got their foot in the door. Back then, you had Studer with the Dyaxis II and Sonic Solutions, and I forget who else which were in the $40k - $100k+ range. And they were quite stable. Then along comes Digidesign with their sub $10k systems (which weren't that stable...) that could do the job. It wasn't about stability, features, or quality. It was about price. Ironic, since they're one of the more expensive options out there now. Putting together a decent ProTools rig costs around $25k. (depending on what you define as decent...) Compare that to a comparable "decent" Sonar rig at around $6k.
2006/03/07 10:16:59
Guest
who resurrected this? .. i want names....
2006/03/07 11:42:12
joseph.barron
It will never dies.
ORIGINAL: jmarkham

who resurrected this? .. i want names....

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