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  • [Posted Dec 2003] Why is Pro-tools the choice of most studio professionals not Sonar? (p.8)
2010/02/22 11:42:11
psychotech
I was going to say basically the same thing oobleclaboodle has posted. Protools has become the default standard of Pro Studio's Digital Editing and Mastering process. A few other things I would like to add are the fact that ProTools was originally developed in conjunction over years with professional engineers as a step forward into the digital age by giving more editing capability during post-production and mastering of professional product since the primary media format for distribution has become 16/44 CD format. The process of recording and mastering has become mostly digital. You still find people that like to talk fondly about Tape and Analog and will still use a tape machine to record but when it's time to Edit and Master everybody knows you have to go digital. Once there you know you can't go all the way back. Bottom line is that Their first offering to the consumer was the Digi001. It gave the common man access to 24 tracks of rock solid analog style audio recording with awesome solidity and audio quality for about $800. If you wanted to go all the way you could get Waves Gold Plugins and a control surface, additional preamps and headphone mixer, mics, stands, cables and everything for just a few thousand. The original Digi001 was culled technology from their flagship product at the time, ProTools HD Full Blown and used a PCI card. The Digi001 was ProTools LE 5.3.1. I have upgraded to 6.4 which is the most stable version running today in windows and is currently used until they get everything worked out with all versions up to 8.0 Being just a scaled down version of the HD hardware platform with the "Light" version of the software is really just a simple way of making the product 'seem' less valuable and they were able to offer it at a reasonable price but you were getting top of line outboard processing PLUS onboard PCI interface with additional hardware support. Rock sold with almost imperceptible latency. Anymore you wont find that type of interface, everybody is using their USB or Firewire and it is basically dumping the entire job on the processor of the computer and limiting the amount of live tracks you can roll during single a recording pass. My system has ADAT support and allows me to record up to 18 tracks at one time without a problem. I am running a 10 year old AMD 2400+ PC with 1GB of RAM. I NEVER HAVE PROBLEMS. I HAVE NEVER NEEDED SUPPORT. I decided it was time to upgrade and I have a new spiffy PC with firewire and a quad core processor so I am like yeah dude. So I go in and they don't even want my old hardware and the special was last year yada. So I am lookin at the Digi002 and 003 and other MBOX units I am thinking what do these do that mine does not? 1. Allow me to use a laptop instead of a PC because if the interface? Don't care. 2. require me to choose between more expensive options that have less features and some cheesy plastic keyboard control surface, upgrade to unproven software and buy new plugins because the old ones aren't supported?  Don't really care about that because I have a rack mounted 1U server for my PC. Anyway I was thinking about the whole processor firewire/usb deal and how I am still totally satisfied with my 01 I decided to keep it. It doesn't support anything higher than 6.4 but that is the best current version and supports ASIO, so WTF? Long story short, a friend of mine just picked up a Digi001 from a guy on Craigslist for $100 bucks and installed it in an old Xp machine he had and he is hooked. If you are thinking about where to go you might take a look at an old Digi001 and $35 for the 6.4 upgrade. Those whimpy little USB/Firewire units really load your system down and don't offer the performance you want or the Protools software. Get an old Digi001 and throw it in some old beater, I guarantee you will not be sorry. 
2010/02/22 11:47:06
papa2005
How on earth did you find a 4 year-old thread?
2010/02/22 12:14:47
strikinglyhandsome1
He used search

That's probably first choice when searching for Audiosnap in 8.5.3
2010/02/22 12:15:34
papa2005
*LOL*
2010/02/22 12:47:46
ooblecaboodle
Wow, this came up from the depths. Strange to have a thread resurrected, and be mentioned after all this time!
What I said about PT still stands

Oh, and for extra comic effect, my Captcha image when logging in was PTHD

Erm, why does the post preview box now look like some kind of fake-vista window? Looks very odd on Linux running Gnome!
2010/02/22 14:20:41
chilldanny
I'm a long time Sonar user (v2.0) and supporter.
I have access to and use a PTHD rig from time to time.

The only way I can put this is that PT is akin to Yamaha NS10 studio monitors.  They're industry standard but not necessarily the best.
And everytime I come home to my studio I feel total satisfaction that Sonar is an innovative, forward thinking product rather than a product trying to keep up!

They day will come when large studios use Sonar, I just hope it's a stable and reliable version!!
2010/02/22 15:48:32
FastBikerBoy
psychotech


I was going to say basically the same thing oobleclaboodle has posted. Protools has become the default standard of Pro Studio's Digital Editing and Mastering process. A few other things I would like to add are the fact that ProTools was originally developed in conjunction over years with professional engineers as a step forward into the digital age by giving more editing capability during post-production and mastering of professional product since the primary media format for distribution has become 16/44 CD format. The process of recording and mastering has become mostly digital. You still find people that like to talk fondly about Tape and Analog and will still use a tape machine to record but when it's time to Edit and Master everybody knows you have to go digital. Once there you know you can't go all the way back. Bottom line is that Their first offering to the consumer was the Digi001. It gave the common man access to 24 tracks of rock solid analog style audio recording with awesome solidity and audio quality for about $800. If you wanted to go all the way you could get Waves Gold Plugins and a control surface, additional preamps and headphone mixer, mics, stands, cables and everything for just a few thousand. The original Digi001 was culled technology from their flagship product at the time, ProTools HD Full Blown and used a PCI card. The Digi001 was ProTools LE 5.3.1. I have upgraded to 6.4 which is the most stable version running today in windows and is currently used until they get everything worked out with all versions up to 8.0 Being just a scaled down version of the HD hardware platform with the "Light" version of the software is really just a simple way of making the product 'seem' less valuable and they were able to offer it at a reasonable price but you were getting top of line outboard processing PLUS onboard PCI interface with additional hardware support. Rock sold with almost imperceptible latency. Anymore you wont find that type of interface, everybody is using their USB or Firewire and it is basically dumping the entire job on the processor of the computer and limiting the amount of live tracks you can roll during single a recording pass. My system has ADAT support and allows me to record up to 18 tracks at one time without a problem. I am running a 10 year old AMD 2400+ PC with 1GB of RAM. I NEVER HAVE PROBLEMS. I HAVE NEVER NEEDED SUPPORT. I decided it was time to upgrade and I have a new spiffy PC with firewire and a quad core processor so I am like yeah dude. So I go in and they don't even want my old hardware and the special was last year yada. So I am lookin at the Digi002 and 003 and other MBOX units I am thinking what do these do that mine does not? 1. Allow me to use a laptop instead of a PC because if the interface? Don't care. 2. require me to choose between more expensive options that have less features and some cheesy plastic keyboard control surface, upgrade to unproven software and buy new plugins because the old ones aren't supported?  Don't really care about that because I have a rack mounted 1U server for my PC. Anyway I was thinking about the whole processor firewire/usb deal and how I am still totally satisfied with my 01 I decided to keep it. It doesn't support anything higher than 6.4 but that is the best current version and supports ASIO, so WTF? Long story short, a friend of mine just picked up a Digi001 from a guy on Craigslist for $100 bucks and installed it in an old Xp machine he had and he is hooked. If you are thinking about where to go you might take a look at an old Digi001 and $35 for the 6.4 upgrade. Those whimpy little USB/Firewire units really load your system down and don't offer the performance you want or the Protools software. Get an old Digi001 and throw it in some old beater, I guarantee you will not be sorry. 


I'd fix your enter key on your keyboard. I might be bothered to read the post then. What a blur of words........
2010/02/22 15:55:37
chilldanny
FastBikerBoy




I'd fix your enter key on your keyboard. I might be bothered to read the post then. What a blur of words........


Hahaha!
2010/02/22 16:02:02
papa2005
Glad someone other than me said it...I got dizzy trying to read the post and gave up! *LOL*
2010/02/22 17:33:32
Dave Modisette
papa2005


Glad someone other than me said it...I got dizzy trying to read the post and gave up! *LOL*


I didn't bother to read past the first sentence for the same reason.

To Psychotech;

The paragraph is a beautiful thing.  Use it.
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