Hi, I'm orchestrater require detail MIDI CC editing.

Please understand my skill in English.. Please watch this video.
 
https://youtu.be/jeJ1JU1r-y8
 
 
 
Problem 1.
You have to go way outside the current value to start drawing, and then draw up or down into your chosen area. Unlike the old sonar, new sonar does not have the option to be able to off the value handle.
 
Problem 2.
And freehand draw tool does nothing in that grab area near last value, while draw tool grabs the last value and moves it. It's not freehand anymore. We want "don't grab, just draw".

Problem 3.
As the length of the music increases, limping phenomenon occurs. The length of the music is more than 2 minutes and work becomes almost impossible even high-end computer. But, if you hide the controller pane, there is no limping.
This is a chronic problem in sonar.
 


 
This is a serious problem that must be addressed, but cakewalk has not give attention.. Even in this patch it does not fixed. So I ask for your help.
Please request to CW with me for fix this issues.

The workaround for (1) and (2) is to convert the MIDI shapes into envelopes, and edit them in track view (using the inline PRV) as you would other automation envelopes.

It would be way better if CW fixed the horrible controller pane.   the work-around proposed by Anderton is one possibility, I don't personally like it at all;  I make do with fiddling with controller pane sizes constantly. 

I totally agree, William.  I thought this was just my problem.  This worked in Cakewalk so much better a long time ago, in versions before the Sonar name was adopted.  Now you have to fight with the drawing tools to even get them to start working.

I edit CCs exclusively as automation envelopes. I find there are a number of advantages such as using curves and not having to draw individual points. It is also MUCH easier to edit later on. It works very well for me.

DRanck
I edit CCs exclusively as automation envelopes. I find there are a number of advantages such as using curves and not having to draw individual points. It is also MUCH easier to edit later on. It works very well for me.

The takeaway for me is SONAR has three very different ways to edit controllers. Each has its strengths and limitations for particular applications. I find automation envelopes work best for detailed editing but then again, I work a lot with audio automation so the process is comfortable for me.

FWIW I wrote an upcoming column for Sound on Sound analyzing the three different methods and their suitability for various scenarios. That said, it seems a feature request for a modifier key that changes the Draw tool behavior to "don't grab, just draw" would accommodate those who want to remain in the main PRV Controller pane.

Craig,

What might be nice but more ambitious would be the ability to use automation-like envelopes to draw on controllers in the PRV 😊

Anderton's way is also nice, but does not seem to be second best to catch up with the work speed of the main PRV. The reason use the pianoroll because can edit or see all track's note, CC and velocity at the same time in one screen.

The new CC draw method used in the PRV certainly do look nice, and it is easier to see the current value this way, but the draw slowdown that occurs with lots of pitch wheel data is pretty bad. If I thin it out, it gets better, but I never saw a slowdown using the old draw method.
 
Dan
 
 

dcumpian
The new CC draw method used in the PRV certainly do look nice, and it is easier to see the current value this way, but the draw slowdown that occurs with lots of pitch wheel data is pretty bad. If I thin it out, it gets better, but I never saw a slowdown using the old draw method.
 
Dan
 
 

I agree Dan.
It seems to be a problem related to graphics processing. It requires optimization. The music is played without a problem, but phenomenon that fps is low because of all CC data that is not visible on the screen can not be seen in other DAW.

Lots of CC data is very important for precise orchestration. If sonar is not anymore have the ability to effectively accommodate the dozens of orchestral instruments with CC data formation, I will not hesitate to use other DAW even though I've used cakewalk for 10 years.
CW must consider users like me.