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2015/07/13 00:11:24
BrotherJack
So, not all that long ago, I upgraded to the latest Sonar, hoping to get some relief from the pain that sync'ing video and audio have been in previous versions (frame rates, codecs, etc, many hours lost fighting it in old versions, though I did eventually get some good stuff recorded). 
 
New version of Sonar is FREAKING AMAZING for Video sync'ing.  (Import video, align the 'clap' where I slapped my hands, and done - I was SOOO HAPPY). 
 
Until I found that the new version of Sonar apparently uses some codec or otherwise munges the output, so that it won't work with Windows Movie Maker (cheap junk I know, but all I really want to do is trim the ends and throw on some titles, and Movie Maker is sweet and fast for that).   The old version of Sonar exported something I could natively use in Movie Maker.  This new version, not so much.   It will import into MovieMaker, but the video is all trashed and ranges from out of sync by several minutes to video drop outs, etc.
 
So, anyone care to share with me the trick for getting new (Platinum) Sonar to export Movie Maker compatible video?
 
Footnote:  I tried the exported video in Sony's trial Movie Studio thing - it kind of works there, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to make Sony's software function, so it doesn't help.  :(
 
Also weird - previous versions of Sonar would crank out video+audio in about 60 seconds (on this exact computer).  New version takes about 10 to 12 minutes to generate the same thing.   If that's a clue?
 
Please advise, if you would be so kind.
 
Thanks,
 
2015/07/13 00:30:42
BrotherJack
Also, have now tried several of the available codec's for WMV's, and essentially the same results each time.  Also, Movie Maker now feels the need to process the input - which it never did before?
 
Again, any hits much appreciated.
 
2015/07/13 00:34:24
Jimbo 88
my advice is to use Sony's Movie Studio.  you just need to get use to it.  It started as an audio app.
2015/07/13 00:38:58
BrotherJack
Sony's movie thing is a totally un-intuitive piece of junk, as far as I can tell.    I suppose I could spend a few days with the manual, but it's absolutely unusable without a lot of doc reading - which is why I love Movie Maker - never read a doc one on Movie Maker, and was making movies in 30 seconds after the first time I opened it.    And of course, I have a deadline for the video which I was never in a million years expecting to be un-useable in the new version of Sonar when I used to be able to make these fine (after I learned a bunch of things that didn't work) in the old version of Sonar.
 
 
2015/07/13 00:51:18
scook
Rather than exporting video from SONAR, export an audio file. Then import your video and add the SONAR audio track in Movie Maker.
2015/07/13 01:32:36
BrotherJack
I really honestly do appreciate your feedback, and please don't take anything I'm about to say as anything otherwise.   But, I have several problems with that idea.
 
1)  Practical problem: I have no idea how to use Sony's Movie Maker thingy, and it's not intuitive enough to just fake my way through like I do with Microsoft Movie Maker.      I spent better part of an hour with it tonight, got nothing useful done other than to trim the start/end of the video I exported from Cakewalk.    I found the whole experience of trying to muddle my way through it really (really) frustrating, and I am not really keen to give Sony money for that mess (I just have the trial version I downloaded to try with it).
 
So, at this point, I am pretty confident, that doing it with Sony's stuff is a "hey, go read a book and spend a day or two putzing with it till you know what you're doing" kind of proposition (at least it is for me, maybe smarter folks than I find it easy).    That's what I was/am trying to avoid.
 
2) Then there's the non-practical problem.   Are you telling me that really really, Sonar Platinum, the most expensive version of any software that Cakewalk makes, is broken so as to be incapable of exporting a video (when previous versions exported video just fine)?   I mean, at this point, I'm not disagreeing with you, because practical experience is saying "yes, it really is", but if that's the case, That would be just .... wow... so 'just wow' I still think surely I am just doing something wrong here (though I have worked my way through most of the codec's available in the Cakewalk export dialog, and 0 joy, and also all the MP4 based exports just die with an error (but it was a MP4 video I imported, wat?).
 
Anyway, maybe AnyVideoConverter can save the day tomorrow when I get back at this or something.   I am hoping so, because between the day job and other responsibilities, I've only got another 2 or 3 hours tops I can put into this till next week.   :(
 
Anyway... 
 
2015/07/13 04:23:57
markyzno
Have you tried using the other video engine in Sonar?
 
For what it's worth Sonar at present really isn't cutting it, I am sure that will change in the future though. Search the forum and you'll find many threads about it.
 
Not sure if this applies to Platinum but more than likely so.
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/S...rectShow-Video-Engines
 
 
2015/07/13 05:26:15
mudgel
Platinum has had significant video updates. While I know you hate to read manuals perhaps it's time to read up on those changes and how they work.
2015/07/13 11:58:47
BrotherJack
Ah, I didn't know there were mulitple video engines now.   I will try the older one (which I am suspicious up front will probably just return me to my frame rate mis-match results in video to audio sync slowly drifting over time issues), but at least maybe that'll get me a working video.
 
I'll also look at the docs more, but honestly, exporting video should be 'functionality 101'.   If I had to do more than click "Export Video", select the output file type, and click "OK" to get a working video, something is haywire.   To get a working video with a different codec or frame rate or whatever, I would expect to need to know some things, but just to export what I see on my screen to a WMV or MP4 file should be no-brainer simple.
 
Thanks,
 
2015/07/13 12:09:40
AT
I found Vegas about as simple as a piece of software can be for straight video editing, etc.
 
If you have no problems with the old SONAR, use that for your videos.  Make a feature request or bug report so Cakewalk will know of your problem and see if they have an answer for your problem.
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