• SONAR
  • Just a question about notation... (p.2)
2015/09/07 21:33:21
skinnybones lampshade
When I see a chord in notation, I can "hear" it. So, for me, it's the most musical way to go.
2015/09/08 00:46:11
michael diemer
Excellent point, lampshade. I can make sense out of entire scores (except for the damn transpositions). But here's the thing: We need to get beyond the "my way is better than your way" mentality. there are many tools musicians can use. There is nothing inferior about someone who writes music and is notationally illiterate. Paul McCartney, last I knew, still can't read music. I sure as hell ain't going to suggest he start learning. Some people have trouble with notation in the same way that some people have dyslexia, it just doesn't fit their cognitive style. but they may have a superb ear and be stellar musicians and mixers. They don't need to read music. but some of us like to have that tool in our kit. But respect needs to work both ways here. So can the folks who don't use notation also show some respect for the folks who do?
2015/09/08 01:45:01
morganfm71
When I first started sequencing, with Cakewalk 3.1, I was entering notes via midi in step time. That was a long and painful process. So, I learned to play keyboard in order to be able to enter notes as I played them in real time, and also I learned to read notation. I actually went out of my way to learn to read notation in order to use staff view. Even then, when I couldn't read notation, I hated piano roll. 
 
Entering notes on the Cakewalk 3.1 staff really helped me learn how to transcribe rhythm, interpret written rhythm, and just improved my overall ability to play in time. Now if a musician says, "we come in on the and of three.", I feel it, I see it in my mind (literally on staff), and I am able to count it via foot-tapping. 
 
 
2015/09/08 18:29:59
Bflat5
 I didn't know it was used for midi. I was thinking it would be best to just have a stand-alone notation program, but now I know. Sounds pretty cool, but I think Guitar Pro does the same thing. Don't laugh, I don't work with a lot of midi.
2015/09/08 20:23:31
DRanck
But here's the thing: We need to get beyond the "my way is better than your way" mentality. there are many tools musicians can use. There is nothing inferior about someone who writes music and is notationally illiterate.

 
Very well put! It is OK for us to be different from one another! And I understand that the Bakers have to weigh the cost of enhancing notation versus the benefit to the widest audience of users.
 
Personally I would love Sonar to have notation on par with Cubase. For me, since I work mostly with orchestral music, it is logical and much easier to see the relationships between parts in a notation view than it is in the PRV. I've mostly learned to work around this and end up heavily using the PRV. Still, better notation would be a big plus for me.
2015/09/08 21:47:11
konradh
I agree you don't need to read or write notation to be a great composer, and I agree McCartney is a genius.  It is worth noting, however, that McCartney had George Martin around to arrange and score music.  Some of the things The Beatles did would have been difficult without someone in that role.
2015/09/08 21:51:19
backwoods
True that Konradh. In the big beatles anthology book there is an anecdote about McCartney whistling the piccolo trumpet part to the penny lane soloist. A few notes were technically out of the instrument's range except for top drawer players (which this guy was). They did a take and McCartney said "That was good but I think you could do it quite a lot better actually" George Martin recalled the guy was pretty furious and that take was the one they ended up using.
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