rcklln
"New Project" is a bit annoying to me because I now have to create a new folder and browse to it to save.

Not necessarily, choose File > New for new projects. 

rcklln
"New Project" is a bit annoying to me because I now have to create a new folder and browse to it to save.

Anderton
Not necessarily, choose File > New for new projects. 

IMHO good to point that out but a workaround.

To summarise the start menu issues right now issues are:
 
1) Sometimes fails to close after opening a project.
2) Does not support UTF (foreign language characters).
3) Decreases Sonar startup speed because it seems the internet download does not run in it's own separate process much like VST scan.
4) If a project has not been opened before (no preview available) it shows black icons, rather than some nice default icon.
5) Does not create a new folder for projects (making it less useful than the classic startup for new projects).
6) Issues on dual monitors: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3278628
 
Hmmm.... Not a big sell for me so far.
 
EDIT = I wrote "increases" rather than "decreases"...

The other concern I have (somebody could test this) is does it slow down sonar startup with 100's of projects?
 
i.e.
Do you have to wait for Sonar to start whilst it indexes, or does it start immediately (although you still have to wait for it to download stuff from the internet in it's current form), and then it does a "lazy load" of the project icons afterwards (preferable), which you can interrupt by double clicking a project file (just get on with things). And then how well are these screen preview thumbnail icons being cached? (EDIT - Obviously the first time will be slow whilst it is being cached).
 
Cheers...

Yeah. I basically like it, but it's slow to appear, notably slower than the old Quick Start, which is a small but definite shortcoming.

Doktor Avalanche

rcklln
"New Project" is a bit annoying to me because I now have to create a new folder and browse to it to save.

Anderton
Not necessarily, choose File > New for new projects. 

IMHO good to point that out but a workaround.

Agreed. I lobbied for per-project file creation, but it was felt that added another step to a process they were trying to simplify.

Ah, hadn't created a new file yet. Just checked that behaviour. Um, that's a bad change. And achieves the opposite. It's increased the number of steps, even using the workaround. Previously click to make a new file in the Quick start box, and get straight to the dialog. Now, close the start screen, go to File > New to get the dialog.

That said "New from template" gives more or less the old behaviour.

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
..... Noel had already answered the question... I really don't get why you're trying to make an example of me for just sharing some back-story.

I'm not trying to make an example of you at all. In fact, in my last direct reply to your post I thanked you. I repeat my thank you Ryan; your posts are valuable and you were gracious enough to add more information.
 

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
..... Nobodies posts here have been random. My responses, along with everyone else's, have been directly related to all of the points, questions, and concerns raised in this thread. We try to keep a pretty open dialog around here. If anyone else reading along found any insight I provided helpful, even if you don't care to hear it, then I'm glad. If not, no worries, there are plenty of other topics.

I totally agree with you and am pleased you consider nobody's post to be random. But then, I'm sure you will appreciate that those were not my words they were written by Anderton and I was just responding to that. I feel they were uncalled for, unnecessary and bordering on becoming personal. I don't think your posts or anyone else's posts here are 'random posts' at all. Thank you for clarifying that.
 

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
..... Do you have any constructive criticism or are you going to continue to bring up issues with what WASN'T said?

Sadly, with regard to the start screen, and will full respect, no I don't have any constructive criticism. It is fully off here and will remain so. With regard to Sonar X3 in general I have plenty of constructive criticism  to the effect that it is probably the best DAW available. Several people have joined up following my recommendations and I shall continue to recommend it.

Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Though I do wonder if you have any actual feedback about it versus poking fun at the way others are attempting to be helpful.

Excuse me but where am I poking fun at other's attempts to be helpful? I think you may be referring to my response to the unfortunate 'random posts'. Again, they're not my words and I was responding in kind to Anderton's post.  Those who know me know I would never poke fun at anyone and spend a great deal of my time trying to help others. For the record I think there are so many knowledgeable, helpful folk here including yourself and I have often referred to these forums for technical expertise and helpful folk in other forums.
 
Once again Ryan, thank you for all the information you have shared here. I know everyone, including myself value your time and efforts.
 
Now, I think enough is enough and time to move on. I need to get back to making music.
 
 

Random does not imply a value judgement or a personal criticism, but a characteristic. My use of "random" refers to posts that don't follow a particular pattern, as contrasted to documentation (e.g., the eZine), where information is at least intended to follow a pattern and purposeful direction (i.e., the opposite of random) in order to present a complete picture. I of course recognize that more often than not, the intention of these posts is to be helpful, regardless of the ultimate outcome.
 
I think what rubbed people the wrong way, myself most definitely included, was the ease with which "conveniently omitted" could be construed as an implication of disingenuousness. This seemed all the more curious given that Ryan had in fact answered the question which you later claimed he did not. So, it's much appreciated that you clarified that you indeed appreciate Ryan's contributions to the forums.